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    Pearl Harbor ban turns into boon for NZ sailors

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    NZ Pearl Harbour Ban Turns Into Boon For Sailors,... | Stuff.co.nz

    A ban on New Zealand ships berthing in the big American base at Pearl Harbour has turned into a boon for Kiwi sailors and the nightclubs in downtown Honolulu.

    The frigate HMNZS Te Kaha and tanker HMNZS Endeavour are taking part in Rimpac, the world's biggest military operation, but while old enemies Japan and Russia are allowed into Pearl Harbour, the New Zealand ships have been sent to Aloha Tower - deep in the commercial heart of Honolulu.

    They are happily close to Hooters and a place called Bikini Cantina. The exile to Honolulu is in return for New Zealand's ban on nuclear warships.

    The Honolulu Star-Advertiser in a story this weekend, and reprinted in the forces paper Stars and Stripes, notes that Nikol DeWoody, a bartender for Bikini Cantina received nine marriage proposals - all from New Zealand navy sailors, all on the same night.

    "When they first came (to the bar), I looked up and there were like 100 of them," DeWoody said. "It got busy. And they are nice dudes," she told the newspaper.

    DeWoody called the New Zealand sailors "very respectful."

    Bikini Cantina customer Marc Anthony said the Kiwis are better off at Aloha Tower.

    "I think they are the happiest guys in RIMPAC - they are not stuck in Pearl Harbour," he said.

    "They've got Chinatown right here, they've got Waikiki, instead of spending 60 bucks for a round-trip (cab ride)."

    Hooters has received many New Zealand sailors.

    Gordon Biersch said it has experienced a 25 percent increase in business.

    "We're certainly happy that they are berthed here at Aloha Tower. Just a window of opportunity for additional business," one business head said

    The Star-Advertiser says the State of Hawaii is waiving entry and dock fees for the New Zealand ships and a US Navy frigate to stay at Aloha Tower.

    For a vessel about the size of the Endeavour, the entry fee would be $268 plus a dock fee of $618 per day.

    A Tokyo datelined blog on Time's site says the New Zealanders are just a short walk from shopping, restaurants, bars and the kind of night-time, personal-service entertainment long favoured by sailors.

    The beaches and discos of Waikiki are a quick bus ride away.
    Pearl Harbour was surrounded by guards and barbed wire.

    "Since there are not enough piers to go around, many visiting vessels will tie up side-by-side; no privacy, lots of gangplanks. Water-buses and shuttles are needed to navigate the sprawling facility (Hey, is that a golf course?), and it takes an hour or more to fight traffic to reach town," the blogger says.

    Rob Ayson, director of the Centre for Strategic Studies at Victoria University, in Wellington, says it's all much ado about nothing.

    "Everyone's missing the big story, which is that New Zealanders are participating in this exercise for the first time in a generation," Ayson told the blog. "You can look at the limitations that still exist on New Zealand-U.S. port access, or you can say, 'They're finding a way to cooperate more closely.'"

    Ayson says that despite the berthing flap, relations between the two countries remain solid. But he says the Kiwis' location could pose a problem for other Rimpac participants when they venture downtown.

    "By the time everyone else gets there," says Ayson, "the New Zealanders will have drunk all the beer."
    Ok this is kind of a funny story. And I think it's really cool that NZ is at RIMPAC again.

    But can someone who knows more explain what the ban is all about? Because NZ has a ban on nuclear warships they're not allowed to dock in the same area as the other countries participating? Is that supposed to be a punishment, I just don't understand the politics behind it.
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    I know nothing about politics but I do know where both those berthing areas are and I would be stoked to be at aloha tower it's like in the heart of waikiki basically!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tojai View Post
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    Ok this is kind of a funny story. And I think it's really cool that NZ is at RIMPAC again.

    But can someone who knows more explain what the ban is all about? Because NZ has a ban on nuclear warships they're not allowed to dock in the same area as the other countries participating? Is that supposed to be a punishment, I just don't understand the politics behind it.

    It may be more that NZ won't let US Nuke powered war ships dock in NZ......but I could be mistaken


    but it does seem like petty schoolyard politics


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    Quote Originally Posted by WiggleWiggle~ View Post
    It may be more that NZ won't let US Nuke powered war ships dock in NZ......but I could be mistaken


    but it does seem like petty schoolyard politics


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    Ahhhh that makes a ton more sense!

    I was reading it as NZ doesn't use nuclear powered warships and that'd seem like something the US would be happy about! But I can see how they might be butthurt if they aren't allowed to bring their own ships into NZ's territory ...

    agree it seems petty though.
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    It’s politics but…NZ won’t allow our carriers, subs, etc., to port there because they don’t want nuke ships near their shores or fleet of ships even in cases of emergencies. Hence, we want to make sure they are not “forced” to park near nuclear ships since they are so against it.

    Makes their free time easier but makes doing the actual exercise, etc., more difficult for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach View Post
    It’s politics but…NZ won’t allow our carriers, subs, etc., to port there because they don’t want nuke ships near their shores or fleet of ships even in cases of emergencies. Hence, we want to make sure they are not “forced” to park near nuclear ships since they are so against it.

    Makes their free time easier but makes doing the actual exercise, etc., more difficult for them.
    Ah, okay. Sounds fair to me I'm surprised that they even agreed to participate.
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