Planned Parenthood Director Quits After Watching Abortion on Ultrasound

[kensington]

Originally Posted by gandemedj Ahhh I understand. You disagree with my ordination because I don't have a penis. That's cool. Lots of people feel the same way as you, but at least now you're being honest about it. It is a fairly new, radical, liberal way of things. We've already conversed as to why I make it clear I'm a minister. Furthmore, to add to it, I feel it does a service to the public's negative viewpoint of Christianity to see the young, the female, and the liberal as ministers. It's good for people to see that giving your life to ministry doesn't mean you wear vestements down the street and never kick back. It makes our Christian community more accessible. You may be able to see yourself as just a poster but I cannot- I am a minister every moment, every day, until I die. I promised that to God, and that includes here. Now does it make me a ministerial authority to anyone who doesn't choose me as a part of their spiritual growth? No. But you cannot disseminate me- I am what I am. I can't have one part of me tossed away. And I don't teach doctrine. I teach about the life of Jesus Christ, and help people understand His love. I do works. You won't catch me behind a pulpit, unless it's the only microphone in the house. And again with implying I mislead people to believe God condones abortion. He doesn't. I don't. I advocate very strongly about it but I do hold strong to the teachings: 1. God is ever merciful. That includes to the sinner. His love will never end. If you get an abortion, or have had one, God will not turn His back on you. But there will likely be some serious healing to your soul that needs to go on because you just said goodbye to a child God blessed you with. But, we can do all things with God so he will sustain you. 2. A place in heaven is what we should all strive for. Some people, some souls, get to go there sooner than others. Your child will not be forgotten. They will ascend to be with God, the best parent of all. 3. God gave his Son to give us the OPTION to be One with Him. Not to force us to. If you don't want to choose the Christian option, today, or any day, then you don't. That's your choice- God gave it to you. 4. Just because you stray from the Path does not mean you cannot return to it. No past mistake is so great that God will not forgive you. It's not God that cannot forgive us for sins and actions against His Commandments. It's the earthly, the sinners, that cannot find it in themselves to forgive and accept that it's not their place. And that's important to remember. Jesus came down to earth and SHOWED us the Truth already. The information is readily here. If they're not ready for the Truth, they're not. But I do think tenents of the Truth are things we would find disagreements on. If you don't mind, Kensington, what denomination ARE you?

It has nothing to do with your genitals... it has to do with my believing the word of God.

Yes... Jesus is mercy to everyone, and especially the unborn. Jesus has compassion for the hurting. He does not give them permission to take the innocent life that was created. He does not. That is the truth He brought.

Your being liberal has nothing to do with it. His word is truth. That is the bottom line, be you male or female, liberal or conservative. His word is true. I have never denied forgiveness, or mercy or open arms of the LORD for anyone who has committed any sin. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven. But, I don't say it's okay to go forward in sin, because you can be forgiven. That is misleading and those who preach that kind of gospel will be held accountable for it.

Your calling and purpose for the great commission appears to be different than mine. I'm good with that. Perhaps you can be also. We are sisters in Christ, but you are not a minister in authority over me... according to the Word of God. Peace.

[jennypage]

Originally Posted by kensington It has nothing to do with your genitals... it has to do with my believing the word of God. Yes... Jesus is mercy to everyone, and especially the unborn. Jesus has compassion for the hurting. He does not give them permission to take the innocent life that was created. He does not. That is the truth He brought. Your being liberal has nothing to do with it. His word is truth. That is the bottom line, be you male or female, liberal or conservative. His word is true. I have never denied forgiveness, or mercy or open arms of the LORD for anyone who has committed any sin. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven. But, I don't say it's okay to go forward in sin, because you can be forgiven. That is misleading and those who preach that kind of gospel will be held accountable for it. Your calling and purpose for the great commission appears to be different than mine. I'm good with that. Perhaps you can be also. We are sisters in Christ, but you are not a minister in authority over me... according to the Word of God. Peace.

To the bolded, what does that mean? That in the "word of god" it says women can't be ministers?

And to the red, I don't think anyone is trying to be "minister in authority over you" (massive eyeroll), she's just trying to tell you that she is an ordained minister. Quit hating and being jealous and acknowlege it.

And to the blue, that means you're mad. It's hilarious that you do that.

[kensington]

Originally Posted by jennypage To the bolded, what does that mean? That in the "word of god" it says women can't be ministers? And to the red, I don't think anyone is trying to be "minister in authority over you" (massive eyeroll), she's just trying to tell you that she is an ordained minister. Quit hating and being jealous and acknowlege it. And to the blue, that means you're mad. It's hilarious that you do that.

When I use the word Peace... it has never meant I was mad. Peace means peace... To my sister in the LORD, for us to live in peace with one another. That too is the WORD of God.

She may hold a paper in a church. But, according to the teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ, we are equal sojourners in Christ. That's all. In fact, I may be older than her in the body of Christ, and in the area of teaching.

[jennypage]

Originally Posted by kensington When I use the word Peace... it has never meant I was mad. Peace means peace... To my sister in the LORD, for us to live in peace with one another. That too is the WORD of God.

Sure it does.

[Geotech]

Originally Posted by Jennifer Lynn IT'S A BABY GEO! A BABY!

So you are disagreeing that human beings are complex life or that that bacteria is a simple non complex form? Regardless taking life in any respect we are playing god, doesn't matter if it's simple or complex, there for the whole it's a baby bs hold no weight in the terms, of the argument of taking life that is apparently not mine to take, which is the general pro-life argument.

[Gee]

Originally Posted by kensington It has nothing to do with your genitals... it has to do with my believing the word of God. Yes... Jesus is mercy to everyone, and especially the unborn. Jesus has compassion for the hurting. He does not give them permission to take the innocent life that was created. He does not. That is the truth He brought. Your being liberal has nothing to do with it. His word is truth. That is the bottom line, be you male or female, liberal or conservative. His word is true. I have never denied forgiveness, or mercy or open arms of the LORD for anyone who has committed any sin. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven. But, I don't say it's okay to go forward in sin, because you can be forgiven. That is misleading and those who preach that kind of gospel will be held accountable for it. Your calling and purpose for the great commission appears to be different than mine. I'm good with that. Perhaps you can be also. We are sisters in Christ, but you are not a minister in authority over me... according to the Word of God. Peace.

It has to do with the interpretation of the Word that you uphold, Kensington. It's naive to assume that everyone will agree with your interpretation, just as it is to assume that your interpretation is necessarily right. We'll all find out when the Reckoning comes.

There is no sinner that I cannot find compassion and empathy and understanding for. Perhaps that is the main difference between us- you're caught up on the sin itself instead of the struggle of the person committing it. While you are bound to live by the Bible, I am to live by the example of Christ's life. I care for the sinner. Them first... I do not judge, or even lay comment on their sin. God never gave permission for human life to be taken, you are correct. He gave us free wills to live our lives as we see fit. If we err (which I do consider an abortion to be, and errant action), He will still care for and love us because He gave us the option and the choice to make that decision. We are humans, we will sin. There's a difference between condoning sin and understanding what causes people to turn to it.

As for the grey, it's because the Bible is filled with grey areas. We live our lives within the grey area waiting for the Second Coming where we'll know the answers to everything we seek.

Originally Posted by jennypage To the bolded, what does that mean? That in the "word of god" it says women can't be ministers? And to the red, I don't think anyone is trying to be "minister in authority over you" (massive eyeroll), she's just trying to tell you that she is an ordained minister. Quit hating and being jealous and acknowlege it. And to the blue, that means you're mad. It's hilarious that you do that.

To your bolded, yes. Some people believe that it's against the Word for women to be ordained.

They usually express their dissent much like this:

Paul set down the qualifications for a pastor in I Timothy 3:1-7. In verse two, he states that a minister must be "the husband of one wife" which eliminates any woman from consideration for the office. Also, Paul says that a minister must be "apt to teach." Teaching is one of the biggie responsibilities of a pastor, yet the scriptures interpreted this way forbid a woman to teach men. "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (I Timothy 2:11-12)

Paul told the saints at Corinth: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Then, they'll say that the office of the pastor/minister whatever is a position of authority. The writer of Hebrews, speaking about ministers, said; "Obey them that have the rule over you." (Hebrews 13:17).Those that interpret the Word the way Kensington does believe that an office of ministry cannot be occupied scripturally by a woman because their interpretation of the scriptures clearly state she cannot usurp authority over the man (I Timothy 2:12).

[Geotech]

Bible also isn't meant to be taken literally.

[kensington]

Originally Posted by gandemedj It has to do with the interpretation of the Word that you uphold, Kensington. It's naive to assume that everyone will agree with your interpretation, just as it is to assume that your interpretation is necessarily right. We'll all find out when the Reckoning comes. There is no sinner that I cannot find compassion and empathy and understanding for. Perhaps that is the main difference between us- you're caught up on the sin itself instead of the struggle of the person committing it. While you are bound to live by the Bible, I am to live by the example of Christ's life. I care for the sinner. Them first... I do not judge, or even lay comment on their sin. God never gave permission for human life to be taken, you are correct. He gave us free wills to live our lives as we see fit. If we err (which I do consider an abortion to be, and errant action), He will still care for and love us because He gave us the option and the choice to make that decision. We are humans, we will sin. There's a difference between condoning sin and understanding what causes people to turn to it. As for the grey, it's because the Bible is filled with grey areas. We live our lives within the grey area waiting for the Second Coming where we'll know the answers to everything we seek. To your bolded, yes. Some people believe that it's against the Word for women to be ordained. They usually express their dissent much like this: Paul set down the qualifications for a pastor in I Timothy 3:1-7. In verse two, he states that a minister must be "the husband of one wife" which eliminates any woman from consideration for the office. Also, Paul says that a minister must be "apt to teach." Teaching is one of the biggie responsibilities of a pastor, yet the scriptures interpreted this way forbid a woman to teach men. "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (I Timothy 2:11-12) Paul told the saints at Corinth: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35) Then, they'll say that the office of the pastor/minister whatever is a position of authority. The writer of Hebrews, speaking about ministers, said; "Obey them that have the rule over you." (Hebrews 13:17).Those that interpret the Word the way Kensington does believe that an office of ministry cannot be occupied scripturally by a woman because their interpretation of the scriptures clearly state she cannot usurp authority over the man (I Timothy 2:12).

Both of these statements I bolded, and the one where you assumed how I interpret the word for authority... are grave misconceptions about what I really think. You didn't take the time to find out actually on a personal level where I do stand in those areas, but assume you have figured it out. You are wrong.

You dismiss the open sound basic word of God to ministers, and yet tried to make it look as though I took on a false teaching. The word says what it says. Do you deny that? And there is a provision for women to teach women. Also, being a woman in ministry is not the same as pastoring, and while you do minister in your body, that does not transfer in authority over those who submit to their own church doctrine. I'm not saying you can't minister in your church, but I am saying that authority does not transfer to me as an equal sojourner in Christ.

I also want to leave open for us an avenue to address our differences the way we are called to as Christians. It's always open to any Christian here who wants to speak to me concerning my walk, or to deal with me by the WORD. PM's. I'm open to that. But the open rebuke you have tried, won't work, because again, it's outside of the will of God... according to the word. Peace to you sister.

Geo... some of the word is to be taken literally by the believer. It really is.

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by kensington It has nothing to do with your genitals... it has to do with my believing the word of God.

So in your opinion, women are inferior to men because you think god says so?

Please tell me thats not what you're implying.

[kensington]

Originally Posted by armygirl8714 So in your opinion, women are inferior to men because you think god says so? Please tell me thats not what you're implying.

The word "inferior" is not a factor. Not at all. No. I can actually preach the word better than many men I have heard preach. Hey... I've been tempted to shout out "PREACH the word" when they are up there. But, I don't. I'm not inferior to any man in the body of Christ. I am in submission of myself to the WORD of the LIVING GOD. That is different.

God didn't set up the church based on who was inferior or who wasn't. Not at all. In my opinion, God knew what He was doing when He set up His church. It is the Church of the LIVING GOD. Not the church of man or woman.