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    EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT CAR SEATS

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    This is a good link showing pictures of what to do and what not to do in your car seat:
    http://dailymomtra.com/2011/03/30/th...r-seat-safety/

    Is your child harnessed properly in their seats? Do you know where the chest clip should be at on your child? Check out this link : Where should the chest clip be positioned? | Facebook

    Your childs chest clip should be at arm pit level. Not on their stomachs, waist etc. A study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) showed that 59% of child harnesses are not tight enough. If the harness is loose and the chest clip is too low, one or both harness straps can slide off the child’s shoulders, allowing the child to potentially be ejected from the car seat in the event of a crash.

    Is your childs harness snug enough???
    "NHTSA states that, “a snug strap should not allow any slack. It lies in a relatively straight line without sagging. It does not press on the child’s flesh or push the child’s body into an un-natural position.”

    You can check this link for pictures and more information to make sure that your child is properly harnessed in their car seat. Is your harness snug enough? | Facebook

    "If you’re able to pinch the strap, the harness is not tight enough. You should not be able to pinch any excess webbing."


    Not harnessed properly- straps too loose, chest clip not at armpit level.



    Harnessed properly- Chest clip at armpit level and not on belly. Straps are snug and you aren't able to pinch any excess webbing.



    FOR REAR FACING- You want the harness straps to be AT or BELOW the shoulder, like this:

    If she were forward facing (which you can not do with an infant carrier btw), the slots would need to be on the next slot up, that you can see in this picture.

    FOR FORWARD FACING- You want the harness straps to be AT or ABOVE the shoulder.
    Not a good picture but it's the best i could get it. However if you click on this link, there are pictures here too.
    https://www.facebook.com/note.php?no...50480116788102


    Some more car seat information:
    *Do not use after market shoulder pads, harnesses, infant inserts, covers etc on/in your carseat. These have not been tested with your car seat and you do not know what affect it may have on your seat and whether or not it will interfere with your seat in the event of a crash. Also your insurance will not replace your car seat either if you do use one of these.*
    *Do not use after market shoulder pads, harnesses, infant inserts, covers etc on/in your car seat bc you do not know if they are flame retardent or not. This is important in the event of a fire.*
    *Do not machine wash your harness unless your manual says its okay. Refer to your owners manual to find out how to clean your car seat cover AND harness.*
    http://www.car-seat.org/showthread.php?t=51032 <-shows pictures of WHY you should not use after market stuff etc.

    http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/AftMarketMan.aspx
    IF your car has air bag sensors on your passenger seat, your car seat is NOT allowed to touch the back of the passenger seat! From car-seat.org "can "confuse" the sensors, as there are more than one. They're set to go off a certain way for smaller people, and a different way for larger people, etc. So, say you've got 5'3, 120lb gramma sitting in the passenger seat, but because of the carseat behind it, the airbag sensors think she's 6'2", 200lbs, and the airbag goes off according to that - which isn't the right protection for gramma."


    BOOSTERING
    Usually not recommended til 5 minimum. The law says 4yrs AND 40lbs but it isn't recommended til 5 or 6 bc of maturity. In order for a booster to work it has to fit correctly - as you can never predict when you will have an accident it has to be used properly 100% of the time. In order to be used 100% of the time, usually these guidelines are recommended below. If your kid can not pass all of these, it's generally a good idea to wait a bit before boostering.

    No sleeping

    no slumping

    no playing with the belt

    no leaning over to get a toy

    no putting your feet up on the seat

    All these activities can cause the booster not to fit properly and we KNOW a booster that does not fit properly has deadly consequences. Because booster use is dependent on the child so much we recommend waiting until a child is older before placing them in a booster seat.

    Also, I've taken this part of the EH below to add here since it mentions boostering. "If a child in a booster still finds that the shoulder belt crosses the neck or face instead of lying flat on the collar bone, the child needs to be moved back into a higher weight harness seat. If a child can not or will not use a booster correctly for the entire duration of the ride, every ride, then the child needs to be in a high weight harness seat. A child under the age of 5 years old is at increased risk of internal injuries due to poor fitting booster seats, and the risk of submarining down/out of a booster. The goal of extended harnessing is to let your child reach a safe size & maturity level before putting them in a proper booster."

    Boosters are for big kids video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWsHyh5Bfv4




    EXTENDED REAR FACING

    What is extended rear facing?
    It is keeping your child rear facing past 1 year and 20lbs. The new recommendation from the AAP is 2 years minimum OR more.
    What to consider when positioning carseats for toddlers

    Why should my child be kept rear facing past 1 year and 20lbs?
    1.) A child between the ages of 1-2 is 70% less likely to be killed in a crash if they are RF. The benefits of ERF don't stop at 2 years old though. Keep your kids RF until they reach the maximum height or weight limits on their car seat.
    2.) They are also 500% safer while RF.
    3.) A Rear Facing car seat cradles a child in a crash, absorbing the crash forces for the child. If they are Forward Facing, all that force goes to their spine which isn't strong enough to handle that much force. It can break their neck and/or spine, cause internal decapitation, or other horrible injuries.
    Car safety seats for children: rear facing for best protection -- Henary et al. 13 (6): 398 -- Injury Prevention

    There are common misconceptions about ERF. Some of them include: my child gets motion sickness so turning him/her FF will help- this usually doesn't help. Installing their seat more upright may help, also you can always ask your dr for motion sickness meds to help too! - another is my child will be injured in a car crash-fFrontal crashes make up about 72% of crashes, which is what RF car seats are best at protecting children from. Rear-end collisions only make up about 4% of crashes. Rear-end collisions usually happen at lower speeds. (example- you are stopped at a red light and someone rear-ends you.) Another misconception that I hear ALOT of is my childs feet touch the back of the seat and it is unsafe for them to do so bc they could break a leg etc. This is NOT true. In fact, there are no reported cases of broken legs in rf children. However, one of the most common injuries of forward facing children is broken legs. If the crash forces are strong enough to break a RF child's legs, they strong enough to break a FF child's neck. Children are flexible and most will sit criss crossed in their seats.

    Here are some links with good information and videos.
    CPSafety - Your online child passenger safety resource
    Rear-Facing Carseats and Safety
    Sacred Journeys | Childhood & Parenthood are Sacred Journeys
    http://www.carseatsite.com/rf.htm
    Car Seat Safety: Rear facing is safest
    http://carseatblog.com/5168/why-rear...rf-link-guide/


    The Importance of Rear-Facing: Version 2 - YouTube
    Rear facing is safer - YouTube
    Front facing or Rear facing? Car seat safety TRUE STORY crash test videos - YouTube
    http://carseatblog.com/5168/why-rear...rf-link-guide/

    Interested in seats to keep your child erf? Take a look at these seats:
    Graco Mysize/Size4me/Headwise *One of the tallest RF seats on the market.*: RF to 40lbs. FF to 70lbs
    Chicco Nextfit *Also another tall shell seat!*: RF to 40lbs. FF to 65lbs.
    Graco My Ride 65: RF to 40lbs, FF to 65lbs.
    Safety 1st Complete Air: RF to 40lbs, FF to 50lbs. **Generally not recommended for babies without good head control. MUST BE INSTALLED AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE WHEN REAR FACING. IF YOU CAN NOT GET A 45 DEGREE ANGLE WHEN REAR FACING, YOU CAN NOT USE THIS SEAT.**
    Diono Radian: RF to 40-45lbs (varies by model). FF to 65 to 80lbs (varies by model)
    Evenflo Triumph Advance: RF to 35lbs, FF to 50lbs.
    Evenflo Momentum 65: RF to 40lbs, FF to 65lbs
    Learning Curve/First Years/Compass True Fit: RF to 35lbs, FF to 65lbs.
    Evenflo Symphony 65: RF to 35lbs, FF to 65lbs.




    Wanna know how to tell if your child has outgrown his/her rf carseat by height? Check here!
    http://www.car-seat.org/showthread.php?t=30201







    EXTENDED HARNESSING
    What is extended harnessing?
    EH is keeping your child in a 5pt harness past 40lbs.

    Why should you keep your child harnessed in a 5pt harness past 40lbs?
    1.) Limits head excursion (forward movement) during a crash, reducing the risk of head and neck injuries
    2.) Spreads crash forces out over a broader area of the body (5 points instead of 3), and across the strongest parts of the child’s body
    3.) Child is seated properly 100% of the time
    4.) Reduces driver distraction (keeps kids seated properly and restrained)
    5.)The majority of children are not mature enough to ride in a booster until 5-6 years old
    6.)Offers a snugger fit than an adult seat belt. When an accident occurs, the harness is already holding the child in the proper position.


    Wanna know the top 3 reasons why kids move out of a 5 pt harness before they are ready? Their younger siblings need their harnessed car seat, their peers are in booster seats or the need to replace their old seat due to age of seat/returning loaned seat and need a cheap replacement.

    If a child in a booster still finds that the shoulder belt crosses the neck or face instead of lying flat on the collar bone, the child needs to be moved back into a higher weight harness seat. If a child can not or will not use a booster correctly for the entire duration of the ride, every ride, then the child needs to be in a high weight harness seat. A child under the age of 5 years old is at increased risk of internal injuries due to poor fitting booster seats, and the risk of submarining down/out of a booster. The goal of extended harnessing is to let your child reach a safe size & maturity level before putting them in a proper booster.

    The next question you may have is how do I know if my child has outgrown their FF carseat? That's easy and simple!

    A forward facing harnessing seat is outgrown when one of the following occurs (which ever happens first)

    1.)The child reaches the weight limit of the harness
    2.)The child’s shoulders are above the top harness slot
    3.)The child’s ears reach the top of the seat


    *It’s important to remember that while forward facing, the harness slot must be AT or ABOVE the child’s shoulders at all times.
    *Also note that a forward facing harnessing seat should always be top tethered. If your vehicle doesn’t have top tethers, please contact your local dealership to have one retrofitted. Many manufacturers will install the first top tether for free, and additional top tethers cost around $15. The use of a top tether reduces head excursion by 6 inches.

    The majority of the seats on the market today harness to 50-85 pounds. If your child has a car seat with a 40 pound harness weight limit, and outgrows it, there are many affordable options for you to keep them harnessed longer. Best practice is ABOVE the law, not just the minimum law.


    Study showing increased head injury in children under the age of 5 who are in booster seats:
    http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd.../05-0330-O.pdf

    Importance of a 5-Point Harness Carseat - YouTube
    Sacred Journeys | Childhood & Parenthood are Sacred Journeys



    Here's a list of seats that are good for FF.

    *Forward Facing Only Seats
    Britax Frontier: forward facing only seats, harnessing from (2 yrs) 25 to 80 pounds; converts to high back booster
    Britax Frontier 85: forward facing only seat, harnessing from (2 yrs) 25 to 85 pounds; converts to high back booster
    Britax Regent: (discontinued) forward facing only seat, harnessing from 22 to 80 pounds
    Graco Nautilus: forward facing only seat, harnessing from 20 to 65 pounds; converts to high back booster and backless booster
    Evenflo Maestro: forward facing only seat, harnessing from 20 to 50 pounds; converts to high back booster but isn’t advised to use in booster mode by CPSTs
    Evenflo Generations 65: forward facing only seat, harnessing from 20 to 65 pounds; converts to high back booster but isn’t advised to use in booster mode by CPSTs
    Safety 1st Apex 65: forward facing only seat, harnessing from 22 to 65 pounds; converts to a high back booster

    Convertible seats-
    Sunshine Kids Radian: convertible car seat, rear faces 40-45 pounds, forward face 60-80 pounds
    Learning Curve True Fit: convertible car seat, rear faces to 35 pounds, forward faces to 65 pounds
    Evenflo Symphony 65: convertible 3-in-1 car seat, rear faces to 35 pounds, forward faces to 65 pounds; converts to high back booster but will be outgrown quickly in booster mode
    Evenflo Triumph Advance: convertible car seat, rear faces to 35 pounds, forward faces to 50 pounds
    Graco My Ride 65: convertible car seat, rear faces to 40 pounds, forward faces to 65 pounds
    Safety 1st Complete Air: convertible car seat, rear faces to 40 pounds, forward faces to 50 pounds
    Britax Marathon: convertible car seat, rear faces to 35 pounds, forward faces to 65 pounds
    Britax Boulevard: convertible car seat, rear faces to 35 pounds, forward faces to 65 pounds
    Evenflo Momentum 65- rear faces to 40 pounds (supposedly, though it's brand new and the Evenflo site says 35 pounds), forward faces to 65 pounds








    CAR SEATS AND WINTER COATS = A NO NO

    COATS AND CAR SEATS!
    It is not safe to wear coats in car seats bc it will make the harness too loose! All that material will compress in a collision and cause slack that may allow a child to be ejected from the carseat. If you are worried about how to keep baby and kids warm in car seats, you can use fleece in carseats, put the jacket on backwards once buckled into the seat, or use a blanket. You can also heat up your car ahead of time too, if you are able to. Do not use items that interfere with the harness straps or that go in between the child and the car seat (like the JJ Cole Bundle Me). Here are some helpful links for you to check out!

    http://thecarseatlady.blogspot.com/2...afe-combo.html
    http://www.carseatponcho.com/
    Check out the Jolly Jumper car seat canopy cover for infant carriers.


    This is why: http://www.car-seat.org/showthread.p...coats+carseats


    From the Child Passenger Safety Technical encyclopedia:
    "Thick, soft, and compressible material should not be placed behind or under the child, nor in between the child and the shoulder or lap straps. The primary concerns are that the padding may negatively affect the way the CR works in a crash and that blankets or inserts may interfere with proper harness routing. Soft foam padding or fluffy blankets will compress in a crash and leave the harness slack on the child, allowing excessive movement or even ejection. Bulky jackets and snowsuits can have the same effect, while "baby bags" without legs and blankets wrapped around the baby before harnessing do not allow for proper routing of the crotch strap."


    From SeatBeltSafe:
    "Clothing worn by children can present compression and harness routing problems. Bulky jackets and snowsuits can compress in a crash and leave the harness slack on a child, allowing excessive movement or even ejection. It is best to have children travel without coats, to put coats on backwards, or to add a blanket over the child after the harness has been buckled. Jackets that are worn the regular way should be no heavier than lightweight fleece fabric or be unfastened to allow contact between the child and the harness or vehicle belt. An option for an infant in an infant seat is a shower cap-style seat cover. This style of cover fits over the top of the infant seat, has an elastic band around the edge, and has no fabric behind or under the child."


    From Transport Canada:
    "Some aftermarket products can cause safety issues ranging from inducing slack in the shoulder harness system to adding compressible material behind the child, which during a crash will allow for slackness in the harness system. The resulting slack in the harness may cause the child to be either partially or fully ejected from the restraint system, in the event of a crash or sudden stop... Bulky snowsuits can affect the harness with respect to additional compressibility. In addition, many snowsuits are made of very slippery material. This can affect the harness system should the chest clip of the restraint not be used properly. When using bulky winter clothing ensure that the harness system is tight, compressing the material to ensure a snug fit. Check with the car seat manufacturer for alternative methods of clothing during the winter."


    Here's some more information on why you should not use the JJ Cold Bundle Me (or anything similar that goes in the car seat):
    http://thecarseatlady.blogspot.com/2...-car-seat.html

    Let's keep our kids safe this winter!









    New AAP guidelines: http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/aap...s-2466904.html

    Awesome informative video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v6EkYx4zOM
    Last edited by airmanssweetie; 11-22-2013 at 04:00 PM. Reason: updated at bottom
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    I am confused as to WHY the pics are showing the dangers of after market products on carseats?
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    I am confused as to WHY the pics are showing the dangers of after market products on carseats?
    huh?
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    huh?
    How are the pics in the thread you linked to showing dangers of aftermarket products on carseats?

    There was an aftermarket headreast int here that looked the same as everything else....
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