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    Hello!

    So I'm being very negative at the moment and have a few questions. My husband will be applying for assignments soon. We would really love to go back to the UK if he gets the chance as I would like to go home and live one more time (as we are likely retiring in the States). I am on coumadin, which requires regular monitoring, but I self-monitor and will only need access to a PCM, Pharmacy, or lab (which ever one has availability) .. so I assume that I will at least be assigned a PCM which is all I need - no specialist, no condition that could deteriorate etc). Anyhow, being the negative person I am, I've convinced myself that I will be denied command sponsorship. With that being said, if that happens, how does everything work if my husband still takes the assignment with my son, and I just move there? I can sign up for Tricare Standard Overseas and also use the NHS (so not worried about medical not being catered for). My husband will be an O-3E so no issues about him having to live on base. If my son is command sponsored then he would get OHA with dependent rate? Even if they didn't allow him to go with my son, then he's still be getting OHA without dependents so he could find somewhere off-base and we could just move in? Sorry if my questions seem all over the place - I just want to get the chance to live close to my family again and I'm so afraid that my stupid meds will somehow prevent that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamzyn View Post
    Hello!

    So I'm being very negative at the moment and have a few questions. My husband will be applying for assignments soon. We would really love to go back to the UK if he gets the chance as I would like to go home and live one more time (as we are likely retiring in the States). I am on coumadin, which requires regular monitoring, but I self-monitor and will only need access to a PCM, Pharmacy, or lab (which ever one has availability) .. so I assume that I will at least be assigned a PCM which is all I need - no specialist, no condition that could deteriorate etc). Anyhow, being the negative person I am, I've convinced myself that I will be denied command sponsorship. With that being said, if that happens, how does everything work if my husband still takes the assignment with my son, and I just move there? I can sign up for Tricare Standard Overseas and also use the NHS (so not worried about medical not being catered for). My husband will be an O-3E so no issues about him having to live on base. If my son is command sponsored then he would get OHA with dependent rate? Even if they didn't allow him to go with my son, then he's still be getting OHA without dependents so he could find somewhere off-base and we could just move in? Sorry if my questions seem all over the place - I just want to get the chance to live close to my family again and I'm so afraid that my stupid meds will somehow prevent that!

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    I don't know that they would let him go with just your son because then child care would come into play, I'm pretty sure to take underage dependents there has to be a plan in place but I'm not positive. If you go over non sponsored you may or may not be allowed to use the medical facilities, that is the whole point of sponsorship - they need to make sure they have room for more patients.
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    I had an acquaintance in a similar situation in 2010. She had a medical issue and when doing her medical screening, they noted in her paperwork that she had NHS access and she was approved for CS.

    If it comes to that, I would just make sure that EFMP notates your records that you have NHS access and wouldn't have to depend on an MTF.
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    if you are a UK national, I would try the, I have my own health care and wouldn't need mpf. If you are counting on that and you get denied, I would think that you would be space A and expected to go on your own.

    With that said, I don't think you would have base privileges, VAT privileges, and whatever is included as you wouldn't be covered under the SOFA. Your stuff moving would be on your own dime, and I could see them changing orders to unaccompied. Granted, if you got to Germany, I don't see a problem with the UK though.
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    Thanks for the responses Wouldn't our things just be moved under his household goods? We don't even make up half of his limit with what we have. If not, where would they send them? I have nowhere to go in the States without him! In regards to BAH etc, I know if someone is unaccompanied they get OHA for them and BAH for their spouse - how do you think that would work (He would not have to live in dorms)? Also, I thought anyone with Tricare was eligable for Tricare oversees (which ever one it is where you are seen off-base and pay copays). I would have access to the NHS but it would be nice to have a backup option!
    Hopefully) I'm being unnecessary negative as a small part of me can't see why I would be denied. I wouldn't actually ever have to see my PCM, just email or call my results in once a month (as I do here) and it is all preventative which means my condition will never change for the worse. I came to Germany before I was placed on coumadin so can't look at the fact that I'm here as an indicator that I'll be approved unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamzyn View Post
    Also, I thought anyone with Tricare was eligable for Tricare oversees (which ever one it is where you are seen off-base and pay copays). I would have access to the NHS but it would be nice to have a backup option!
    You could be seen, but only on a Space Available basis, so it really would depend on whether they have Space Available appointments or not.

    The only other additional thing I can think of off the top of my head is you would not be authorized to fill up you car on base.
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    Not everyone is eligible for Tricare, if there are off base facilities that take Tricare you might be able to be seen. You are better off going as a UK national stating you won't need an MPF or Tricare if you are concerned about getting denied.

    As far as the shipment, he can likely put all of it in his shipment as he was in possession of it prior to orders. You just may have to buy your own plane ticket.

    You have a slight advantage if you are a UK national, you can utilize the local facilities, medical, etc, you won't necessarily be dependent upon military.

    You would likely still have access to the base because of your ID card, such as BX and commissary

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrishAFSpouse View Post
    Not everyone is eligible for Tricare, if there are off base facilities that take Tricare you might be able to be seen. You are better off going as a UK national stating you won't need an MPF or Tricare if you are concerned about getting denied.

    As far as the shipment, he can likely put all of it in his shipment as he was in possession of it prior to orders. You just may have to buy your own plane ticket.

    You have a slight advantage if you are a UK national, you can utilize the local facilities, medical, etc, you won't necessarily be dependent upon military.

    You would likely still have access to the base because of your ID card, such as BX and commissary
    She may have access to the MPF for their child; but, she wouldn't have access to the BX or the Commissary unless she can get some sort of SOFA there. In Germany, you couldn't. I"m just going off that. You have to be in their system and when you scan your card now, it will say if you can or can't.

    As for the BHA/OHA< I don't know how it would work in this situation. That will be the only thing. They don't give OHA out unless you have a contract and so, it may just be under his with unaccompied rate. That you would need to find out. A friend of ours tried to stay in Germany because her husband was in Turkey and tried to get a job and everything, they still had to move back to the states. Even with everything.

    Yours is different with you being a UK resident. The only thing you can do is ask. We really can't tell you. I'm just speculating at this point.
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    So if you're husband goes, I thought you could get a sofa to stay even if you're ncs. I'm new here and we are PCS to germany and I am trying to prepare to go NCS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineappledunn View Post
    So if you're husband goes, I thought you could get a sofa to stay even if you're ncs. I'm new here and we are PCS to germany and I am trying to prepare to go NCS.
    Oh no. The way to get that is to be command sponsored. If you go non command sponsored, you are going as a regular tourist citizen of the US (assuming you are american otherwise whatever country you are from). Thus you will have to follow all the laws in regards to tourists. Read what Dakotacowgirl wrote in the post above yours.
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