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    6 myths about the Detroit 3

    BY MARK PHELAN
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    The debate over aid to the Detroit-based automakers is awash with half-truths and misrepresentations that are endlessly repeated by everyone from members of Congress to journalists. Here are six myths about the companies and their vehicles, and the reality in each case.

    Myth No. 1

    Nobody buys their vehicles.


    Reality

    General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC sold 8.5 million vehicles in the United States last year and millions more around the world. GM outsold Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the United States last year and holds a U.S. lead over Toyota of about 560,000 so far this year. Globally, GM in 2007 remained the world's largest automaker, selling 9,369,524 vehicles worldwide -- about 3,000 more than Toyota.

    Ford outsold Honda by about 850,000 and Nissan by more than 1.3 million vehicles in the United States last year.

    Chrysler sold more vehicles here than Nissan and Hyundai combined in 2007 and so far this year.

    Myth No. 2

    They build unreliable junk.


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    The creaky, leaky vehicles of the 1980s and '90s are long gone. Consumer Reports recently found that "Ford's reliability is now on par with good Japanese automakers." The independent J.D. Power Initial Quality Study scored Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Ford, GMC, Mercury, Pontiac and Lincoln brands' overall quality as high or higher than that of Acura, Audi, BMW, Honda, Nissan, Scion, Volkswagen and Volvo.

    Power rated the Chevrolet Malibu the highest-quality midsize sedan. Both the Malibu and Ford Fusion scored better than the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.

    Myth No. 3

    They build gas-guzzlers.


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    All of the Detroit Three build midsize sedans the Environmental Protection Agency rates at 29-33 miles per gallon on the highway. The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Malibu gets 33 m.p.g. on the highway, 2 m.p.g. better than the best Honda Accord. The most fuel-efficient Ford Focus has the same highway fuel economy ratings as the most efficient Toyota Corolla. The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Cobalt has the same city fuel economy and better highway fuel economy than the most efficient non-hybrid Honda Civic. A recent study by Edmunds.com found that the Chevrolet Aveo subcompact is the least expensive car to buy and operate.

    Myth No. 4

    They already got a $25-billion bailout.


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    None of that money has been lent out and may not be for more than a year. In addition, it can, by law, be used only to invest in future vehicles and technology, so it has no effect on the shortage of operating cash the companies face because of the economic slowdown that's killing them now.

    Myth No. 5

    GM, Ford and Chrysler are idiots for investing in pickups and SUVs.


    Reality

    The domestic companies' lineup has been truck-heavy, but Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have all spent billions of dollars on pickups and SUVs because trucks are a large and historically profitable part of the auto industry. The most fuel-efficient full-size pickups from GM, Ford and Chrysler all have higher EPA fuel economy ratings than Toyota and Nissan's full-size pickups.

    Myth No. 6

    They don't build hybrids.


    Reality

    The Detroit Three got into the hybrid business late, but Ford and GM each now offers more hybrid models than Honda or Nissan, with several more due to hit the road in early 2009.
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    do you have a source for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrisonsdream View Post
    do you have a source for that?
    Its in the byline. The detroit free press.

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    We currently own a Chrysler and it's 1. junk and 2. a gas guzzler. This was our first and only time buying an "American" made car. We're sticking with Nissans or Toyota's from now on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisha View Post
    We currently own a Chrysler and it's 1. junk and 2. a gas guzzler. This was our first and only time buying an "American" made car. We're sticking with Nissans or Toyota's from now on.
    you are one person & that's your one experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcwant2be View Post
    you are one person & that's your one experience.
    I am one of a few thousand with the same issues on the same make and model. We will always recommend Toyota or Nissan over Chrysler or Dodge.
    Missing someone gets easier everyday because even though you are one day further from the last time you saw them, you are one day closer to the next time you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisha View Post
    I am one of a few thousand with the same issues on the same make and model. We will always recommend Toyota or Nissan over Chrysler or Dodge.
    it's called a recall or tsb (technical service bulletin). no manufacturer is immune to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcwant2be View Post
    it's called a recall or tsb (technical service bulletin). no manufacturer is immune to them.
    I know what they are as I've been dealing with them from the day we purchased our junk Chrysler. Like I said we as in our family will never recommend them. It doesn't mean someone else won't like what we don't.
    Missing someone gets easier everyday because even though you are one day further from the last time you saw them, you are one day closer to the next time you will.
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    i had a chevy and loved it but we got rid of it because we didn't need two cars (a colorado--pick up). my grandma has a ford explorer and while yes it gets bad mpg compared to a car it is a great car, very reliable and very very worth the price. my grandpa has a ford truck and he loves it though he made a poor decision since it doesn't fit his lifestyle well. my aunt and i have both had saturns and aside from some minor issues when the cars had recall information on them they were wonderful too.
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    I'd like to add #5. It's difficult for everyone to now remember that GM, Ford and Chryslers biggest money makers were SUVs and trucks. Why? Because people BOUGHT THEM. the demand was there. Why did foreign companies build smaller cars that flooded the market when gas prices went up? Because they are based in the foreign markets where gas prices were $4/gallon 10+ years ago and smaller cars were in demand. They transferred what they used there here. How many people on this site alone own an SUV, truck or minivan? Demand, demand, demand. Supplying demand is how you make money.

    Myth #2 is unfortunately not a complete myth. Part of the problem is reliability WAS bad and in some models still is. It has come a LONG way though and Ford models are rated high along with foreign cars and many new GM models (such as the new Malibu) are also. However, brand reputation is shot, as a few comments on this shows.
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