Clinton vs Obama (last night's debate)

[Devinn]

What are your thoughts on this exchange last night?

OBAMA - "What I said...and I will provide you with the quote, what I said is that Ronald Reagan was a transformative public figure because he was able to get Democrats to vote against their economic interests to form a majority to push through their agenda, an agenda that I objected to, because while I was working on those streets, watching those folks see their jobs shift overseas, you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of Wal-Mart."

Clinton -- who has been criticized during the campaign for not standing up to the merchandising giant while on its board from 1986 to 1992 -- responded that she had taken stands against Republican programs.

CLINTON - "And I was fighting against those ideas when you were practicing law and representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner-city Chicago"

[MontanaSweetie]

Mud slinging, and I'm tired of it. They need to stop fighting each other, and fight for their own political "agenda" so to speak. I want to know what they are going to do to improve our country NOW, not what each person did in their own respective pasts.

[Donna]

Originally Posted by MontanaSweetie Mud slinging, and I'm tired of it. They need to stop fighting each other, and fight for their own political "agenda" so to speak. I want to know what they are going to do to improve our country NOW, not what each person did in their own respective pasts.

exactly how I feel.

[Wicked]

Well, as for the WalMart thing... Um, not any worse than our Vice President having shares in the company that got billions of dollars of no-bid contracts in the same war he played a big part in starting. Just about everyone in Washington has risen up the corporate ladder in one way or another. Corporations are inherantly evil, so there you go.

As for the Obama slumlord thing. I don't know. I will have to research it.

I do think that the coverage on the fight during the debate is being blown up more than it should have been. It was a TWO hour debate and that was the only real heat during it, and it wasn't even that bad. They talked about a lot of other things as well and in a very calm manner. So, I honestly don't see why the media is acting like it was some huge blow-out when it wasn't. Of course, they have announced that the "gloves are coming off" SO many times since campaigning began... Media sensationalizing if you ask me.

I watched a debate where Republicans traded jokes about "islamo-fascists" or whatever the new token slogan is now when talking about foreign policy. At least Obama and Clinton kept the joking to the personal stuff (like the question to Obama about whether or not Bill Clinton was the first "black President").

[Wicked]

Originally Posted by MontanaSweetie Mud slinging, and I'm tired of it. They need to stop fighting each other, and fight for their own political "agenda" so to speak. I want to know what they are going to do to improve our country NOW, not what each person did in their own respective pasts.

Well, I think that since Clinton and Obama agree on pretty much EVERYTHING, the only thing they have to set themselves apart from each other is their pasts. What else do they have to campaign on if it isn't their "experience"? I don't like to see any candidates get all snippy with each other, but I have seen MUCH worse and at least they are talking about each others flag pins or plastic surgery or religions.

[Devinn]

you know what I find SO VERY amusing? That mudslinging such as this from democrats can be excused somehow or another by their supporters...and if the republican debate had contained the EXACT SAME exchange...democratic supporters would have tore it to pieces...

and of course vice versa.

[Berkley]

Originally Posted by Devinn you know what I find SO VERY amusing? That mudslinging such as this from democrats can be excused somehow or another by their supporters...and if the republican debate had contained the EXACT SAME exchange...democratic supporters would have tore it to pieces... and of course vice versa.

And this is why I you Devinn

[Wicked]

Originally Posted by Devinn you know what I find SO VERY amusing? That mudslinging such as this from democrats can be excused somehow or another by their supporters...and if the republican debate had contained the EXACT SAME exchange...democratic supporters would have tore it to pieces... and of course vice versa.

I am not getting how it is mudslinging (so feel free to explain), but if you are implying that I am excusing things because they are democrats then I don't appreciate it. I hope you aren't implying that. I have seen mudslinging on both sides (especially with the sneaky ass mailers going out talking about Romney's religion and Obama's middle name) and I have never excused ANY of it. You have never seen me tear apart Republicans and praise Democrats for the same things.

I guess I don't see actually talking about EXPERIENCE and ISSUES mud slinging.

[ChewiesBaby]

Originally Posted by Devinn you know what I find SO VERY amusing? That mudslinging such as this from democrats can be excused somehow or another by their supporters...and if the republican debate had contained the EXACT SAME exchange...democratic supporters would have tore it to pieces... and of course vice versa.

Do you want to debate the questions at hand or pick a fight? I mean, you were just griping about how debates turn into ugly little dramafests but posts like this only lead to just what you say you despise... that's what I find amusing.

Clinton, don't like him... Obama, not a favorite either but the issues that are being called mudslinging are actually documented events if I'm not mistaken. Please correct me if I'm wrong. How can bringing up facts that are relevant to the issues be mudslinging? Now, if they started insinuating that Clinton's womanizing destroyed trust in leaders or that Obama is supposedly a Muslim sent by insurgents to take over from the inside... those are both speculation and therefore (to me) would be considered slinging mud... grasping at straws... etc.

[I Miss Him:(]

Originally Posted by MontanaSweetie Mud slinging, and I'm tired of it. They need to stop fighting each other, and fight for their own political "agenda" so to speak. I want to know what they are going to do to improve our country NOW, not what each person did in their own respective pasts.

yep! good way of putting it