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    Is it too soon to talk about this? To pray and send condolences about how horrible and tragic this is?

    There is so much nonsense circulating on social media about the left vs the right and gun control this and mental health that, when the hell is something ACTUALLY going to happen to keep our children safe in their own school of all places. My heart breaks for these families.

    I’m also just so angry and disgusted. A year ago Congress repealed a bill that was put into place to do mental heath checks on individuals purchasing guns. There have been 18 gun related incidents in/around schools just in 2018 alone and YES I am well aware that only three of those were mass shooting casualties/injuries... but three is still one too many and if THAT is your argument right now that media distorts the numbers of “actual mass shootings” instead of your argument being “What do we do to stop this from happening” then good lord ima pray for you as a person.


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    The only good thing I can see out of this is that some of the kids involved have been deeply eloquent and active about trying to prevent this happening again anywhere else. God knows what (if anything) the adults will do, but the kids have been impressive.

    I wish they didn’t have to be.
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    I was waiting in line to pick up DD from school yesterday and an ambulance and police car whizzed by and pulled into the school...my heart stopped. It's a damn shame that the first thought in my head was whether or not there was a shooting.

    I cannot even imagine being the parents of those kids, I would never feel safe letting my child leave home again after having something like that happen.



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    The other argument I’ve seen today is how we need to make an effort to arm our educators. You won’t even give them allowances to buy school supplies but you want to start a gun budget are you joking?


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    I want to hear more about why the FBI wasn't able to locate the shooter and prevent this when it appears (this could be misinformation - IDK that's why I'm asking) the shooter posted about planning a mass shooting at a school using his real name on a forum and the post was then sent to the FBI...

    As a parent - I can't even. There are no words. I can't imagine - like literally can't imagine.

    I do not know what the solution is...but I hope someone can come up with one. We are losing too many people to mass shootings - according to a recent study the US leads the WORLD in the number of mass shootings. Something is REALLY wrong with that statistic. Something needs to change so we can lead the world in a better category - like quality of life or happiness or something...
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    So I had an interesting talk with a coworker today. She's a clinical social worker, a psychological anthropologist (PhD) and has a lot of experience working with criminals, institutionalized persons (for mental health issues or otherwise) and also worked in a men's psychiatric hospital for political/war prisoners in Colombia for several years. She made the point that in a lot of these cases of mass shooters, they've been previously diagnosed (or would be currently diagnosable) with a pretty severe personality disorder and nearly always have had a prior incident with violence/police. Personality disorders, specifically anti-social personality disorder, is almost impossible to treat so even if they HAD access to mental health services, it's unlikely they would have used them or been changed in any significant way. Her idea is that, if we're going to be having a registry of everyone who has been diagnosed with a mental health disorder, we should specifically be screening for anti-social personality disorder, ESPECIALLY if they have ever had been in trouble in the past, and be doing a lot more to restrict these specific individuals from accessing any guns or weapons. Less than 1% of the population has severe anti-social personality disorders so if we're going to bother monitoring, it should be there. She doesn't believe that overall gun control laws are really necessary if we learn how to really keep an eye on the truly at-risk individuals and have multiple check and balances in place to keep track of them and their behavior.

    I don't know how this could work in practice, I don't know if we could discriminate on the basis of a specific disorder in terms of monitoring and restrictions. There's always ONE person who's going to be the sweetest angel. Or people would lie/fear getting diagnosed. So I'm not sure, but I thought it was a very interesting point from someone who has a lot of background in this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMP1984 View Post
    I want to hear more about why the FBI wasn't able to locate the shooter and prevent this when it appears (this could be misinformation - IDK that's why I'm asking) the shooter posted about planning a mass shooting at a school using his real name on a forum and the post was then sent to the FBI...

    As a parent - I can't even. There are no words. I can't imagine - like literally can't imagine.

    I do not know what the solution is...but I hope someone can come up with one. We are losing too many people to mass shootings - according to a recent study the US leads the WORLD in the number of mass shootings. Something is REALLY wrong with that statistic. Something needs to change so we can lead the world in a better category - like quality of life or happiness or something...
    In many ways people want contradictory things. They want the FBI or associated agencies to be able to prevent every awful thing before it happens, but if asked “would you accept the feds watching you closely at all times?”, they recoil and go what the hell, NO.

    There’s real tension between the outcomes people wish they could have, and the inconveniences or intrusions they’re willing to accept.
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    Our politicians only say it's too soon when it's too late and they're trying to cover their asses with false please for compassion, and respect, and giving the families time to mourn, so that they won't have to answer for their failures to take ANY meaningful action since the last time it was too soon, but actually too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket_lizz View Post
    So I had an interesting talk with a coworker today. She's a clinical social worker, a psychological anthropologist (PhD) and has a lot of experience working with criminals, institutionalized persons (for mental health issues or otherwise) and also worked in a men's psychiatric hospital for political/war prisoners in Colombia for several years. She made the point that in a lot of these cases of mass shooters, they've been previously diagnosed (or would be currently diagnosable) with a pretty severe personality disorder and nearly always have had a prior incident with violence/police. Personality disorders, specifically anti-social personality disorder, is almost impossible to treat so even if they HAD access to mental health services, it's unlikely they would have used them or been changed in any significant way. Her idea is that, if we're going to be having a registry of everyone who has been diagnosed with a mental health disorder, we should specifically be screening for anti-social personality disorder, ESPECIALLY if they have ever had been in trouble in the past, and be doing a lot more to restrict these specific individuals from accessing any guns or weapons. Less than 1% of the population has severe anti-social personality disorders so if we're going to bother monitoring, it should be there. She doesn't believe that overall gun control laws are really necessary if we learn how to really keep an eye on the truly at-risk individuals and have multiple check and balances in place to keep track of them and their behavior.

    I don't know how this could work in practice, I don't know if we could discriminate on the basis of a specific disorder in terms of monitoring and restrictions. There's always ONE person who's going to be the sweetest angel. Or people would lie/fear getting diagnosed. So I'm not sure, but I thought it was a very interesting point from someone who has a lot of background in this area.
    Yes, I agree with this. However, the problem is, that’s for those legally looking to obtain weapons. Does anyone know the percentage of people carrying out these shootings that applied for the weapons, got approved and used them? I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s scary.

    I saw an article today about a 17 year old who posted a snap chat saying he was going to recreate the Florida incident. Someone reported it and he was arrested. The police searched and found a pellet gun. He said it was a joke...Sick.

    I agree that some action needs to happen, but what is going to stop people who really want the end result? If it’s not guns, what if they start making home made alternatives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyCupcake View Post
    Yes, I agree with this. However, the problem is, that’s for those legally looking to obtain weapons. Does anyone know the percentage of people carrying out these shootings that applied for the weapons, got approved and used them? I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s scary.

    I saw an article today about a 17 year old who posted a snap chat saying he was going to recreate the Florida incident. Someone reported it and he was arrested. The police searched and found a pellet gun. He said it was a joke...Sick.

    I agree that some action needs to happen, but what is going to stop people who really want the end result? If it’s not guns, what if they start making home made alternatives?
    But the argument that someone who is hellbent on hurting others is going to make it happen, why do we not make it harder for them to make it happen? Because it may inconvenience a law abiding citizen? I would rather be inconvenienced by a background check or deeper evaluation to own a weapon that could kill someone rather than let actual bad people just walk into a store and buy a gun off the rack because it’s their 2nd amendment right. We own guns too in our home, we are educated on how they work, licensed to own the weapons and are responsible gun owners. I just think it’s silly that we let people walk around packing a weapon that they honestly may have no clue how to use. It’s not unreasonable to want to see stricter background checks and mandatory training to own a weapon. We have to be licensed and train to operate a vehicle but not a gun? Seems silly to me.


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