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    I put this in debates because it seems like people might have strong opinions on it.

    When Jada Shapiro decided to raise her daughter from birth without diapers, for the most part, not everyone was amused. Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter’s offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

    “My sister wasn’t a huge fan,” she said on Thursday.

    But “elimination communication,” as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.

    Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an “eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store” on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free “Meetups,” where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

    Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies’ most intimate functions.

    “I think for a lot of parents, the motivation is just to be more in tune with what their kids’ needs are,” Adriane Stare, proprietor of Caribou Baby and herself a diaper-free mother, said on Thursday, about a week after holding her most recent meetup. Another meeting was written about on Thursday on the news Web site dnainfo.com; the next is May 14.

    Ms. Stare said she “E.C.’d” her oldest son, Damien, who is now almost 4, and is doing it again with her second boy, Loren, who is almost 4 months old. Ms. Stare watched for cues that meant her baby needed to go to the bathroom or was going to the bathroom, like a certain cry or squirming or a grimace. Then, she began associating those cues with her own noises, like “sss,” or grunting. After a while she could make those noises — the elimination communication — to the baby while holding him over the toilet or the sink for perhaps 20 seconds, and he would go to the bathroom on command or refuse if he was not ready.

    There are misses, she admits, but even cleaning up a small mess on the floor is easier, she says, than laundering diapers.

    Some pediatricians are skeptical that children under a year old are actually capable of controlling their own toileting. “I’ve certainly heard in other countries that they do toilet train babies earlier,” said Dr. Robin Jacobson, chief of outpatient pediatrics at Beth Israel Medical Center in Manhattan. “But from what I’ve heard it’s at about a year of age, not at two months of age.”

    Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, “just like Pavlov’s dog,” but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

    The diaper-free mothers said it was rare for their babies to go without diapers 100 percent of the time. They usually put them on at nighttime and for trips to stores, restaurants and the like, though not necessarily for naps or going to the park, where it is easier to go on the ground or behind a tree. But their children often have been weaned of their diapers by 18 months.

    Asked whether the practice was a health hazard, Jean Weinberg, a spokeswoman for the New York City health department said: “Really the only infectious disease problem at hand has to do with hand washing. Otherwise, it’s just a general sanitation issue.”

    Ms. Shapiro, a founder of Birth Day Presence, a childbirth education studio in Park Slope and SoHo, said most clients laughed when they heard about elimination communication, but one or two in every group signed up. At three weeks, her daughter could hold her bowel movements until she was put over the bowl, she said.

    “I have absolutely been at parties and witnessed people putting their baby over the sink,” she said. One client took her baby and her bowl to a party, held her naked baby over the bowl, “and she just did it at this person’s party in the corner, but obviously they were close friends,” Ms. Shapiro said.

    Still, even the most ardent practitioners observe some limits. “I don’t think you can walk down Fifth Avenue and just let your baby poop on the sidewalk,” she said.
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    That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rissa*Rawr View Post


    That is all.
    yeah that's pretty much my response too. If they want to do it at home, cool. But out in public? ehhhhh

    And I can't even imagine how horrible a blowout would be with no diaper on. omg.
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    In theory. I would LOVE this because diaper trash (disposables) or laundry (cloth) is gross, smelly, and extra work. However, I could never do the elimination communication method, I go out too much. We went out right away after Wyatt and I feel like for doing this successfully, you'd need to be in the house virtually 24/7 for a long time. Once Wyatt got older, around one and still now, if I see him doing the potty dance, we run to th bathroom but we're also potty training so I think what I do falls under that and not elimination communication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket_lizz View Post
    yeah that's pretty much my response too. If they want to do it at home, cool. But out in public? ehhhhh

    And I can't even imagine how horrible a blowout would be with no diaper on. omg.
    I can't even imagine doing it at home. I don't know how others peoples children are but DS gives absolutely no indication that he's about to poop. No poop face, no farting, no noise whatsoever. He doesn't even scream or cry when he's finished pooping. There would be no way of me getting him to a sink, bowl, cup, whatever in time for a poop because it comes out of no where.

    And baby pee? That shit goes everywhere if there's no diaper covering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket_lizz View Post
    yeah that's pretty much my response too. If they want to do it at home, cool. But out in public? ehhhhh

    And I can't even imagine how horrible a blowout would be with no diaper on. omg.
    Surprisingly enough (because I've got a kid that has boycotted diapers while at home now), what would have, for sure, been a blow out in a diaper - especially disposable - is not that bad on the floor. I know it sounds gross and usually he goes on the potty but we had one morning where he obviously was not well digestive wise and I didn't know until he exploded. Really not bad, easier to clean him up like that than it would have been with a diaper on.
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    I guess I just don't fully understand it.

    I mean, if you're around your own house and want to keep your baby naked and have a hawk eye out 24/7 for signs that they're about to pee or poop....have at it. I wouldn't catch it in time and would just end up with pee and poop all over my house constantly

    I just don't get how they go about it in general though. It said they don't put diapers on for things like going to the park...so does that mean they're not wearing any bottoms in general? If so, I just find that inappropriate. And if they are wearing bottoms, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of their claim that they don't have to do as much laundry as a CDing momma? If their baby doesn't get their pants off in time, they're still going to be washing dirty underwear and bottoms, right?

    Eh...I just find it a bit confusing. Definitely not for me


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    Quote Originally Posted by *YDoIGrowPeople* View Post
    I guess I just don't fully understand it.

    I mean, if you're around your own house and want to keep your baby naked and have a hawk eye out 24/7 for signs that they're about to pee or poop....have at it. I wouldn't catch it in time and would just end up with pee and poop all over my house constantly

    I just don't get how they go about it in general though. It said they don't put diapers on for things like going to the park...so does that mean they're not wearing any bottoms in general? If so, I just find that inappropriate. And if they are wearing bottoms, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of their claim that they don't have to do as much laundry as a CDing momma? If they don't get their pants off in time, they're still going to be washing underwear and bottoms, right?

    Eh...I just find it a bit confusing. Definitely not for me
    Sorry, I should have included a link to the article. In the pics, the boy had no bottoms on at all. Just a shirt & slippers.
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    It's gross, sure. But I also think it's really creepy... Maybe because I don't have kids. But do people really want to THAT in touch with their kid? To share bowel movements with them...? I don't even watch DH poop
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket_lizz View Post
    Sorry, I should have included a link to the article. In the pics, the boy had no bottoms on at all. Just a shirt & slippers.
    I wouldn't be okay with that out in public. I mean, baby, young child, or full-grown adult, they are still a human being & need to be clothed.

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