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    Gay rights (not including marriage)?

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    I have heard from several people recently that they support "gay rights" but do not support gay marriage.

    I'm personally a bit befuddled by this. If you don't support gay marriage but do support "gay rights," what kind of gay rights do you support? The right to fornicate?

    I'm honestly wondering this, not trying to be snarky. The only other right I can ascertain is the right not to be discriminated against in housing, employment, etc. But if you believe that gays are entitled to basic civil rights, why do those rights not extend to marriage?
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    They can be for civil unions?
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    Also Adoption rights, against DADT, etc
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    I personally feel that you can't fully support Gay people if you don't fully support their causes.

    I would never say I supported gay rights, if I didn't support gay marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer Lynn View Post
    I personally feel that you can't fully support Gay people if you don't fully support their causes.

    I would never say I supported gay rights, if I didn't support gay marriage.
    That's the point I'm trying to get at.

    If you believe a human being/citizen is entitled to basic civil rights, how do you justify discrimination when it comes to marriage, KWIM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer Lynn View Post
    I personally feel that you can't fully support Gay people if you don't fully support their causes.

    I would never say I supported gay rights, if I didn't support gay marriage.
    I don't think that's true...that's like saying I can't support women's rights because I'm Anti-Choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberly View Post
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    True, true. I guess I just don't see how you can justify civil rights for gays without supporting gay marriage. It doesn't make sense to me. Why do their civil rights (purportedly supported based on the idea that they are entitled to equal rights) come to a screeching halt when it comes to marriage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberly View Post
    I don't think that's true...that's like saying I can't support women's rights because I'm Anti-Choice.
    I guess so...

    But to say you FULLY support them would mean, to me at least, that you'd support their right to marry too.

    Or you'd support the woman's right to choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessesq1 View Post
    True, true. I guess I just don't see how you can justify civil rights for gays without supporting gay marriage. It doesn't make sense to me. Why do their civil rights (purportedly supported based on the idea that they are entitled to equal rights) come to a screeching halt when it comes to marriage?
    I think this is because people don't see marriage as a "civil right." Personally, I do, but there are a lot of people that want to keep marriage a religious institution... when it really isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer Lynn View Post
    I guess so...

    But to say you FULLY support them would mean, to me at least, that you'd support their right to marry too.

    Or you'd support the woman's right to choose.
    Well if fully comes into the mix then I can agree.
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