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    Obama Cutting Benifits for Veterans 50%

    A friend of mine is deployed in Iraq right now and he sent me this email

    Subject: Obama Cutting Benifits for Veterans 50%

    I do not know who originally sent out this email, but the information in it is correct. I looked up the governments budget document. Just in case you have not heard, the govrenment
    "spending bill" about to be passed by congress will revamp the entire medical system in the U.S. No one has said a word about it being in the bill. God help us. From: To: undisclosed recipients: ;
    Subject: Obama Cutting Benifits for Veterans 50%
    Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:22:45 -0800 (PST)

    Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:11 PM

    Forwarded to me today...

    About Obama's Heath Care proposal on Active Duty Military Families and Veterans!

    My office just got word today that our new President Obama has
    proposed a plan to cut military health care benefits! This
    is great news for the 99.9% Veterans and Active Duty members who are
    currently using health care benefits. The Congressional
    Budget Office has made public a proposal stating that Veterans (you
    know the men and women who have fought in wars and spent 20
    plus years in the service) are now going to be paying upto 50% of their
    medical bill. Thats a big jump from paying nothing for
    the past 30 some odd years.

    The biggest kicker is Active Duty Military (yep, I said Active Duty)
    will now ! be paying 10% of their total bill. They will now be billed
    for their kids visiting the doctor. Again, a big jump from being free !

    Another benefit subject to change is VA medical benefits.
    Everyone who is receiving a benefit from the VA for a service related
    injury will have to be re-assessed and the proposal states this will
    affect "90% of vets receiving VA benefits and will save the govern-
    ment $53 Billion dollars over 10 years".

    Needless to say, today is the first time I have heard from the few
    Obama supporters in my office say "if this gets passed they
    will not continue to be a supporter".

    Isn't this the candidate that just a few months ago was preaching to
    get health care coverage to ALL ? Isn't it ironic, moronic and outrageous?
    to steal $53 Billion from vets and active duty military families
    so the Crack Head down the street will receive free medical coverage ?


    If your as upset as I am then write your elected officials so hopefully
    some of the dummies running this country see the light and would
    never even dream of taking away a penny from a military member !

    Here are some links to article.

    Feel free to Google if you're in dis-belief.

    Below is a message from an Army General who also points out some links
    and ways how to contact your elected representative.
    Subject: FW: TriCare for Life's Future

    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:14:10 -0800

    To All,

    This is for real. The heavy assault has begun on Veterans'/Retirees'
    benefits to pay for other programs. The word on the
    street is that these indeed are a high priority of the Obama
    administration. The one most of interest to Retired Military is
    in Article 189. If approved by Congress the first assault wave would
    hit the beaches in 2011 and would hit hard. It would
    initiate cost sharing to require retirees to pay the first $525 of
    medical cost and 50% of the next $4,725 for a first year
    cost of $2,888 per person. It would be indexed to increase with
    inflation. A reason given for this action (for PR effect) is
    "overuse" by Retirees.



    For those of you who are covered by TFL you will want to pay attention
    to what BG Bob Clements has surfaced about the future of
    TFL. If you know of anyone who is Retired Military, please forward
    this on to them. I don't know how many of you partake of
    the TriCare for Life program but here is a very interesting note on the
    subject. Seems as though our President Elect has
    placed a priority on cutting it out of the budget as a means to provide
    funding for those things he promised during the
    campaign. In any case, on page 189 of the Congressional Budget Office
    report! , see the note below on how to get to that
    spot, there is a strong recommendation to eventually eliminate the
    program as it is too expensive. I would ask that you
    contact your elected officials and register your strong opposition to
    the elimination of this program. Just another move to
    slight those of us who dedicated much of our adult lives to the defense
    of our country. Thanks for listening.
    Heads-up from BG Bob Clements, USAF Ret (P38 Bob) The following has
    been added to the Congressional Budget Office Web Site

    a. Budget, Options, Volume 1: Health Care


    For those who have never opened one of these web sites from OMB :

    1. double click on the above URL

    2. click on PDF

    3. click on the binoculars

    4. do a search for TFL


    "Now here it is folks and I will guarantee if you sit around on your
    behind and do nothing about it as they bring these options
    forward this coming year, you will lose one of the best healthcare
    benefits that the Medicare eligible retired military have.
    It is short of the promises made that we fought so hard for back in the
    late 90s and early 2000s but it is still the best
    healthcare program that anyone in the United States has, bar none.
    People who are professionals always look for the channel of
    least resistance when it comes to cutting money out of the Federal and
    DOD budget. I can tell you this straight on, military
    retirees are one of those channels of least resistance noted for
    sitting around, doing nothing, and waiting for ole Joe to do
    it for them. You had better wake up. Your medical benefits are prime
    target. If you lose the! m, you have nobody to blame but
    yourself. Let me repeat that ... you have nobody to blame but yourself.
    The way to secure your benefits is to write to your
    members of Congress and to keep writing and writing and writing. ONCE
    IS NOT ENOUGH!! Keep repeating the above statement until
    you are blue in the face. Now I'm going to make one more statement to
    all of you younger people out there who are not yet
    eligible for TriCare for Life. HEALTH CARE WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME THE
    DOMINATING FACTOR IN YOUR LIFE. Remember that . . . . it
    will impact you big time with the utmost in cruelty unless you are
    fortunate enough to die from a heart attack . . . or get run
    over by a truck. Now, I am going to attach AGAIN exactly what OMB has
    in store for military retirees using TFL. This source
    is directly from OMB and is not something that I have dreamed up. They
    are telling you exactly what they are going to do with
    your benefits. If you do nothing, this is what you will get. The
    service organizations will put up a fight and are aware of
    this and will put up a fight but, they will need your help and can't do
    it by themselves.
    I hope this makes it clear as to what you can expect if you do nothing.
    To show you how stupid these professionals can be at
    times if you will read the attached document closely you will see that
    in spite of the MTFs (Military Treatment Facility) need
    to get patients back to keep their doctors busy and the hospitals from
    going to clinic status, these people from OMB would
    employ a means to keep retirees from using MTF facilities by charging
    them a fee for services. How dumb can you get. Even if
    you are an Obama lover, and believe that changeth cometh, TFL option
    from OMB will not go away. They need the money they spend
    on you for other programs for people who produce nothing but votes to
    keep their boss in office. &nbs! p;chk 6 .. bob"


    A footnote: BG Bob Clement is known with affection as"P38bob". He flew
    P38s in WWII. He was one of the stalwart warriors that
    led effectively from the front when the hard battles were being fought
    to bring TriCare for Life to reality. I was honored and
    pleased to a player in that effort by following P38 Bob's lead. (in
    those days I was known as MilVet99) MilVets: it looks
    like we will again be confronted by the 'attack of the beancounters'
    who, by and large, wouldn't know (and probably never will
    know) genuine unselfish service to our country and are solely motivated
    by crunching! numbers so that those numbers will
    reflect favorably on their bosses and their boss's causes. They have
    no thought to the havoc they would cause .. . . in many
    cases the loss of any amount of TFL benefits would be a an
    insurmountable hardship ..... and to some it would truly be a death
    sentence. It is well that we gear up for the fight now. As P38 Bob
    says, we must write, write, write and write. Once is not
    enough! In time I will be preparing letters for your use in writing to
    your elected officials and submitting them to the TREA
    Membership, and to others who may want to join the fight. Them Bean
    counters haven't seen anything until they've see a united
    and angered group of MilVets. Lets do it and git 'er done!!!!! Your
    comments and inquiries are welcome. Classification:

    Caveats: NONE
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    As a member of the Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, Barack Obama fought to end benefit disparities, bring homeless veterans in off the street, strengthen mental health care, add billions of dollars in additional Department of Veterans Affairs funding, and reform a system that often places barriers between veterans and the benefits they have earned. President Obama and Vice President Biden will ensure we honor the sacred trust to care for our nation’s veterans.

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    Fully Fund VA Medical Care: Fully fund the VA so it has all the resources it needs to serve the veterans who need it, when they need it. Establish a world-class VA Planning Division to avoid future budget shortfalls.
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    This goes directly against what Obama just proposed. I would like to see proof. Something from the Obama Administration itself.
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    I encourage you to send this back to your friend


    UT VETERANS' BENEFITS -- Widely-circulated

    email wrongly tells of "Obama plan" to "assault"

    veteran and military healthcare benefits.

    Story below:

    Your comments accepted at bottom of page.

    Share story/email link.

    by Larry Scott

    I love the Internet. I hate the Internet.

    Love... the fact that the Internet allows us to communicate instantly and retrieve information that, just a few years ago, would have been nearly impossible to find.

    Hate... the fact that any whack-job with a half-baked conspiracy theory can hunt-and-peck his way into my living room.

    So, it's time to put another stupid rumor to rest.

    There is no "Obama plan" to cut veterans' benefits.

    An email making the rounds in the veterans' community warns of this sinister "plan" to cut benefits, and make vets', retirees and active-duty military pay (or pay more) for their healthcare. Then, this money that is saved will be used to pay for "other programs"... whatever that means.

    The underlying premise for this nonsense is a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). Their web site is here...

    The report, one of a series that are cranked out regularly, is titled Budget Options, Volume 1: Health Care. Report is here...

    The CBO is a non-partisan arm of Congress that is "...charged with reviewing congressional budgets and other legislative initiatives with budgetary implications." They do not work for the President or any political party.

    Our nonsense email claims the above-mentioned CBO report is an "Obama" report. Actually, the report was released in December of 2008 and was put together in the last few months of the Bush administration. Just like it has nothing to do with Obama... it has nothing to do with Bush.

    It is just a report, one of many, that explores budget "options"... that is all. It is not policy. It is not a "plan."

    The report offers "options" such as: If Congress does this, they can save money. If Congress does that, they can enhance revenues.

    Because this report deals with government healthcare, veterans, retirees and military are included. And, the report offers "options" that do include, simply put, higher fees and fewer benefits.

    But, remember. This is the kind of report that gets a quick glance and ends up on the shelf with "options" disregarded.

    Congress has seen reports like this before and ignored them.

    The Obama administration has no intention of cutting veterans' benefits. Their veterans' agenda is here...

    So, if this email, which is nothing more than a scare tactic, comes your way... just email the sender this page.

    posted by Larry Scott
    Founder and Editor
    VA Watchdog dot Org
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    Yay email propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bee. View Post
    Yay email propaganda.
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    I knew someone would find more info faster than I would. lol Thanks for the quick debunkment (Is that even a word?)
    An unconditional right to say what one pleases about public affairs is what I consider to be the minimum guarantee of the First Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Germanchick View Post
    I knew someone would find more info faster than I would. lol Thanks for the quick debunkment (Is that even a word?)
    lol it is now!
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    Public Service Announcement:

    Don't post your biased, incorrectly supported, and obviously wrong e-mails in debates without checking the information. Duh.
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