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    Mothers and booze

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    I was watching Law and Order SVU and there was a case on there
    of a preggo woman who was ordered into an outpatient rehab for
    alcoholism and she violated that, the state wanted her to be sent to
    an inpatient treatment center for the duration of her pregnancy.

    My question is do you think that the state should be able to mandate rehab for a woman just because she is a preggo alcoholic?
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    Yep. Absolutely. In fact, I don't think people do things like that enough - giving too much "she's the Mom, she can decide, it's her body ONLY and it's up to her..."

    If someone intends on HAVING the baby then others should be allowed to step in and say "you're fucking your baby up" and put a stop to it to save the baby's life.
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    Yes.

    Children that are born severely FASD can become wards on taxpayer dime for the rest of their lives. That's significantly more expensive than just throwing someone in an inpatient treatment center.

    If anti-abortion laws can be mandated because of common good and a supreme love and care for unborns, so can inpatient medical treatment for mothers who cannot mother to their best abilities due to addiction.
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    Yes.
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    No because it sets a slippery slope for those that would remove choice from women. Until it is born the fetus is not a human with rights. A person is not a mother officially until the child is born (I am not saying I agree with this) the child not a person until it is born under the eyes of the law. Alcohol is legal so placing someone in rehab (against their will) that has broken no laws is wrong legally.

    ethics are a whole different matter and I find people who refuse help while pregnant for alcohol and drug abuse to be very sad. Then again addiction itself is very sad and easy for those on the outside to judge.
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    Ive seen that episode!!!! I love Law and Order SVU- my favorite show

    That stupid lady. Keeps deciding to quit and be sober...then drinks again.....then sobers up....then drinks again....And then OH YEAH Her last kid had FAS....That'll snap some sense into her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hishoneybee View Post
    Ive seen that episode!!!! I love Law and Order SVU- my favorite show

    That stupid lady. Keeps deciding to quit and be sober...then drinks again.....then sobers up....then drinks again....And then OH YEAH Her last kid had FAS....That'll snap some sense into her.
    That girl on the show that played her oldest daughter the one with FAS
    was so sweet though, almost made me cry to see her
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie♥Hatter View Post
    No because it sets a slippery slope for those that would remove choice from women. Until it is born the fetus is not a human with rights. A person is not a mother officially until the child is born (I am not saying I agree with this) the child not a person until it is born under the eyes of the law. Alcohol is legal so placing someone in rehab (against their will) that has broken no laws is wrong legally.

    ethics are a whole different matter and I find people who refuse help while pregnant for alcohol and drug abuse to be very sad. Then again addiction itself is very sad and easy for those on the outside to judge.
    That's not true necessarily. There have been people charged with double murder because they killed a pregnant woman. Also, with this, would the law be able to charge her with child neglect if the child is born prematurely or with defects due to drinking or drugs during the pregnancy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie♥Hatter View Post
    No because it sets a slippery slope for those that would remove choice from women. Until it is born the fetus is not a human with rights. A person is not a mother officially until the child is born (I am not saying I agree with this) the child not a person until it is born under the eyes of the law. Alcohol is legal so placing someone in rehab (against their will) that has broken no laws is wrong legally.

    ethics are a whole different matter and I find people who refuse help while pregnant for alcohol and drug abuse to be very sad. Then again addiction itself is very sad and easy for those on the outside to judge.
    While my guts want the state to make sure the baby is healthy
    This action could set a precedent allowing a fetus rights, which could threaten a woman's right to
    choose. So no, I do not think the state can or should force a pregnant woman into rehab
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    That's not true necessarily. There have been people charged with double murder because they killed a pregnant woman. Also, with this, would the law be able to charge her with child neglect if the child is born prematurely or with defects due to drinking or drugs during the pregnancy?
    In these cases it is determined if the child could have survived outside the mothers womb. If it can be proven that the child could survive independently of it's mother then the prosecution can go for a double homicide.
    Think Scott Peterson, he murder his wife when she was 7 1/2 months pregnant, baby Connor could have survived on his own.


    You walk a very slipper slope with the neglect charge
    When does she become responsible for the fetus? When does the fetus gain it's rights?
    If she drinks during the first trimester can you hold her accountable for neglect? If you can, then technically terminating a pregnancy during the first trimester would also be a crime.
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