Special Ed - Debates

Krisha · 07-31-2006, 01:51 PM

Do you all feel as though SE or ES (special ed or emotional support) children should be in the same class room as those their age?

I'm fine with special ed being integrated into the normal classrooms but here in our district each child has a tss worker WITH THEM in their classes. This not only distracts the children but causes more crowding as some classrooms have five or six tss workers. What are your opinions and do your schools have tss workers?

Trey · 07-31-2006, 01:55 PM

I realize that it is your opinion about a TSS worker, but that completely offends me. My stepmom does that because she adores working with special needs children and not for the pay, but for the medical benefits for my autistic brother. Do you know exactly what they do? I think calling them as a whole "over paid babysitters" is ignorant, IMHO.

Personally, I think there are pros and cons to both. It is good to have that "competition" to keep them learning at a higher pace, but if they start to fall back, they can get left behind. It is also important for them to have interaction with "normal" children to create social bonds as well. Each child is different and not all children will benefit from it. It should be done on a personal basis.

Joy · 07-31-2006, 01:57 PM

I don't mind special ed or es children being in the "regular" classroom setting so long as it doesn't disturb the other children's learning experience. We had tss workers in the classroom when I was growing up for special needs children and it never bothered us, they know how to keep a low profile. Once it becomes a distraction, the child should be moved into a more controlled atmosphere to better their learning experience as well as the other childrens.

April · 07-31-2006, 01:57 PM

It is important for SE kids to have the same experience as others. how are they to learn to work in the real world and get along with others and really learn real life unless they are exposed on a regular basis? If they are kept in their little classroom, and that is all they know, they will then be those who can not function with instutional help. Furthermore, regular ed kids will learn tolarance and that not everyone is like them. If you are going to segragate because of learning disability you might as well go back to black and white toilets.

as far as the over crowding....they are crowded anyway. At least that teacher has some help in her classroom with the 30+ kids she would have anyway.

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Krisha · 07-31-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Rileysmom

I realize that it is your opinion about a TSS worker, but that completely offends me. My stepmom does that because she adores working with special needs children and not for the pay, but for the medical benefits for my autistic brother. Do you know exactly what they do? I think calling them as a whole "over paid babysitters" is ignorant, IMHO.

Personally, I think there are pros and cons to both. It is good to have that "competition" to keep them learning at a higher pace, but if they start to fall back, they can get left behind. It is also important for them to have interaction with "normal" children to create social bonds as well. Each child is different and not all children will benefit from it. It should be done on a personal basis.

I was a TSS workers so yes I know what we do.

Trey · 07-31-2006, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by April

Furthermore, regular ed kids will learn tolarance and that not everyone is like them.

as far as the over crowding....they are crowded anyway. At least that teacher has some help in her classroom with the 30+ kids she would have anyway.

I agree with both of these statements. Many people are mean to special needs children because they don't understand. Putting them together can make the special needs children comfortable as well as teach the other students tolerance as you mentioned.

And from my personal experience, assistants are a valuable asset to the classroom.

harrisonsdream · 07-31-2006, 02:03 PM

i basically think that if they are just slightly behind developmentally the regular students then i definitely think that they should be integrated into the regular classrooms in some shape way or form. however if they will be a greater distraction to the regular classrooms then no i don't think so. we had this student in the special education classes in my high school who would run down the hallway screaming whenever he got the chance to get away from his aide. i was always in lunch when he did this and he would go up and hit people and try and look up girls skirts. i don't think that integrating him into a regular classroom would have been beneficial to him or to the other students. but we have had students that needed special testing requirements, etc etc in my classes in high school. only the students who couldn't control themselves were kept in the special education wing (they had their own hallway) but came and had lunch with the rest of the school during lunch rotations.

Trey · 07-31-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by snooniesmom

I was a TSS workers so yes I know what we do.

Well the children I have worked with, and that my mom does currently work with come over to our house, go to movies with us. She has changed their lives and given them someone to trust, as well as a friend. She has taught them things that they couldn't normally learn on their own in the classroom, and has provided them an outlet for some of their steam. I don't know what YOU do with the children, but that doesn't sound like an overpaid babysitter to me.

Joy · 07-31-2006, 02:06 PM

I agree, I don't want anyone to think I personally am discriminating against special needs in any way. I don't. I just feel if being in the classroom setting is disturbing not only to the other students but to the individual, then an alternative must be found. Most special needs children can function in a normal setting, whether with a helper or not, doesn't bother me. It does teach tolerance and acceptance of people different than the norm.

Jill · 07-31-2006, 02:17 PM

My mom is also one of those "overpaid sitters"

she has been with this little boy for over 2 years and over those 2 years he has learn to trust someone and knows that someone cares for him. even though her "job" is just during the school year she takes him to parks and he comes over to the house during the summer.

now to answer the question. absolutly child should be in the classrooms. this is where they learn to interact with other kids. are we suppose to keep them secluded and then after high school say "see-ya"? with my mom there in the room with him it actually keeps everything running better. if he should get out of hand, she can talk and control him so the teacher does not have to worry as much.

07-31-2006, 01:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
Krisha Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Va Beach Posts: 4,388 Classifieds: (0) Activity: 0% Longevity: 67%	Special Ed Do you all feel as though SE or ES (special ed or emotional support) children should be in the same class room as those their age? I'm fine with special ed being integrated into the normal classrooms but here in our district each child has a tss worker WITH THEM in their classes. This not only distracts the children but causes more crowding as some classrooms have five or six tss workers. What are your opinions and do your schools have tss workers? Last edited by Krisha; 07-31-2006 at 03:43 PM. Reason: To remove my ignorant "blanket statement"

07-31-2006, 01:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Trey Jamie's favorite. Be jealous. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Where the surf meets the sand... Posts: 23,298 Classifieds: (3) Activity: 70% Longevity: 71%	I realize that it is your opinion about a TSS worker, but that completely offends me. My stepmom does that because she adores working with special needs children and not for the pay, but for the medical benefits for my autistic brother. Do you know exactly what they do? I think calling them as a whole "over paid babysitters" is ignorant, IMHO. Personally, I think there are pros and cons to both. It is good to have that "competition" to keep them learning at a higher pace, but if they start to fall back, they can get left behind. It is also important for them to have interaction with "normal" children to create social bonds as well. Each child is different and not all children will benefit from it. It should be done on a personal basis. __________________

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April It's YOUR choice Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: HOME IN TEXAS!!!!! Posts: 7,957 Classifieds: (1) Activity: 0% Longevity: 98%	It is important for SE kids to have the same experience as others. how are they to learn to work in the real world and get along with others and really learn real life unless they are exposed on a regular basis? If they are kept in their little classroom, and that is all they know, they will then be those who can not function with instutional help. Furthermore, regular ed kids will learn tolarance and that not everyone is like them. If you are going to segragate because of learning disability you might as well go back to black and white toilets. as far as the over crowding....they are crowded anyway. At least that teacher has some help in her classroom with the 30+ kids she would have anyway. *all my "you"'s were you in general __________________ Freedom and Liberty require Service and Sacrifice

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07-31-2006, 02:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
harrisonsdream Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 52,170 Blog Entries: 1 Classifieds: (0) Activity: 0% Longevity: 67%	i basically think that if they are just slightly behind developmentally the regular students then i definitely think that they should be integrated into the regular classrooms in some shape way or form. however if they will be a greater distraction to the regular classrooms then no i don't think so. we had this student in the special education classes in my high school who would run down the hallway screaming whenever he got the chance to get away from his aide. i was always in lunch when he did this and he would go up and hit people and try and look up girls skirts. i don't think that integrating him into a regular classroom would have been beneficial to him or to the other students. but we have had students that needed special testing requirements, etc etc in my classes in high school. only the students who couldn't control themselves were kept in the special education wing (they had their own hallway) but came and had lunch with the rest of the school during lunch rotations.

07-31-2006, 02:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jill It must be nice to live in your world Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,086 Classifieds: (0) Activity: 16% Longevity: 87%	My mom is also one of those "overpaid sitters" she has been with this little boy for over 2 years and over those 2 years he has learn to trust someone and knows that someone cares for him. even though her "job" is just during the school year she takes him to parks and he comes over to the house during the summer. now to answer the question. absolutly child should be in the classrooms. this is where they learn to interact with other kids. are we suppose to keep them secluded and then after high school say "see-ya"? with my mom there in the room with him it actually keeps everything running better. if he should get out of hand, she can talk and control him so the teacher does not have to worry as much.