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    Report: Exams reveal abuse, torture of detainees

    * Story Highlights
    * Report reveals medical evidence of torture, including beatings and electric shock
    * Study calls on U.S. government to issue a formal apology to tortured detainees
    * Rights group gives list of demands to Bush administration

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former terrorist suspects detained by the United States were tortured, according to medical examinations detailed in a report released Wednesday by a human rights group.

    The Massachusetts-based Physicians for Human Rights reached that conclusion after two-day clinical evaluations of 11 former detainees, who had been held at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in Afghanistan.

    The detainees were never charged with crimes.

    "We found clear physical and psychological evidence of torture and abuse, often causing lasting suffering," said Dr. Allen Keller, a medical evaluator for the study.

    In a 121-page report, the doctors' group said that it uncovered medical evidence of torture, including beatings, electric shock, sleep deprivation, sexual humiliation, sodomy and scores of other abuses.

    The report is prefaced by retired U.S. Major Gen. Antonio Taguba, who led the Army's investigation into the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in 2003. VideoWatch why a rights group says there's evidence of torture »

    "There is no longer any doubt that the current administration committed war crimes," Taguba says. "The only question is whether those who ordered torture will be held to account."

    Over the years, reports of abuses at Abu Ghraib and allegations of torture at Guantanamo prompted the Bush administration to deny that the U.S. military tortures detainees.

    Since only 11 detainees were examined "the findings of this assessment cannot be generalized to the treatment of all detainees in U.S. custody," the report says.

    However, the incidents documented are consistent with findings of other investigations into government treatment, "making it reasonable to conclude that these detainees were not the only ones abused, but are representative of a much larger number of detainees subjected to torture and ill treatment while in U.S. custody."

    Four of the men evaluated were arrested in or taken to Afghanistan between late 2001 and early 2003 and later were sent to Guantanamo Bay, where they were held for an average of three years before being released without charge, the report says. The other seven were detained in Iraq in 2003 and released within a year, the report says.

    All the subjects told examiners that they were subjected to multiple forms of torture or ill treatment that "often occurred in combination over a long period of time," the report says.

    While the report presents synopses of the detainees' backgrounds based on interviews with them, the authors did not have access to the detainees' medical histories. Therefore, there's no way to know whether any of the inmates may have had medical or mental problems before being detained.

    Among the ex-detainees was an Iraqi in his mid-40s, identified only as Laith, whom U.S. soldiers took into custody in October 2003 and who was released from Abu Ghraib in June 2004. According to the report, Laith was subjected to sleep deprivation, electric shocks and threats of sexual abuse to himself and his family.

    "They took off even my underwear. They asked me to do some movements that make me look in a very bad way so they can take photographs. ... They were trying to make me look like an animal," Laith told examiners, according to the report.

    According to the report, Laith said the most "painful" experiences involved threats to his family: "And they asked me, 'Have you ever heard voices of women in this prison?' I answered, 'Yes.' They were saying, 'Then you will hear your mothers and sisters when we are raping them.' "

    The examiners concluded in the report that "Laith appears to have suffered severe and lasting physical and psychological injuries as a result of his arrest and incarceration at Abu Ghraib prison."

    Another detainee, Youssef, was detained by U.S. soldiers nearly seven years ago when he tried to enter Afghanistan from neighboring Pakistan without a passport, the report says. He initially was held in an Afghan prison, where he describes "being stripped naked, being intimidated by dogs, being hooded and being thrown against the wall on repeated occasions," the report says.

    A few months later, he was taken to the Guantanamo Bay facility, where he was subjected to interrogators who would enter his cell and force him to lie on the floor with his hands tied behind his back to his feet, the report says.

    Youssef said the interrogators wanted him to confess of involvement with the Taliban, the report says.

    Based on its investigation, the report calls on the U.S. government to issue a formal apology to detainees subject to torture and ill treatment by the military since fall 2001 in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere.

    The rights group also demands that the Bush administration:

    • "Repudiate all forms of torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment";

    • Establish an independent commission to investigate and report publicly the circumstances of detention and interrogation at U.S.-run prisons in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo Bay;

    • Hold individuals involved in torturing detainees accountable through criminal and civil processes; and

    • Monitor thoroughly the conditions at U.S.-run prisons all over the world.

    CNN Radio contributed to this report.
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    See, here's the thing...
    HOW do we support our troops when, at the same time, we're appalled by the abuses we hear these same troops may be committing upon the detainees?

    I don't know how to do both, how to resolve these feelings, you know?
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    I'm not saying it was right for them to do it, but just like in other places, there are bad people.
    We're not the only ones that get away with this.
    Its disappointing in EVERY WAY.
    I'm I outraged, yes.
    But I'm not surprised.
    I'm sad for the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WGs_Grrl View Post
    See, here's the thing...
    HOW do we support our troops when, at the same time, we're appalled by the abuses we hear these same troops may be committing upon the detainees?

    I don't know how to do both, how to resolve these feelings, you know?
    IMO, the few troops doing these things are just as guilty as the Administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kittieb View Post
    I'm not saying it was right for them to do it, but just like in other places, there are bad people.
    We're not the only ones that get away with this.
    Its disappointing in EVERY WAY.
    I'm I outraged, yes.
    But I'm not surprised.
    I'm sad for the world.
    It makes me really sad as an American to say that I'm not surprised either.

    I just.... always thought we were better than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleMsSunshine View Post
    It makes me really sad as an American to say that I'm not surprised either.

    I just.... always thought we were better than that.
    yeah, I mean. I always had higher hopes here because it is America, but so many things are going down the tube.
    I don't know who I want for president, *can't vote anyways* But I just hope whoever becomes president in the end does a good job of fixing things.
    *in a good way*
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    Quote Originally Posted by WGs_Grrl View Post
    See, here's the thing...
    HOW do we support our troops when, at the same time, we're appalled by the abuses we hear these same troops may be committing upon the detainees?

    I don't know how to do both, how to resolve these feelings, you know?
    You support the troops that are doing the RIGHT thing. A handful of people decided to do the WRONG thing either because they were told to, or the decided to do it themselves. It's a handful of people. Not the thousands upon thousands in the military.

    Yes, it's awful, but why do we continue to only focus on the awful stories. There are some. But there are also some very positive stories that NEVER make it to the media because it doesn't cause outrage, it doesn't sell papers, or get people watching. The problem is that we only see the horrible things, some of which are blown out of proportion (I'm not saying this incident was though) so people start thinking that this is how our military operates. It's not. These incidents involve a few people, yet the country (particularly the media) generalizes and says that is all of our military. I for one know my husband would NEVER do anything like that, ordered or not. It's unfair to choose not to support our troops because of a few nut cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petsparkle View Post
    You support the troops that are doing the RIGHT thing. A handful of people decided to do the WRONG thing either because they were told to, or the decided to do it themselves. It's a handful of people. Not the thousands upon thousands in the military.

    Yes, it's awful, but why do we continue to only focus on the awful stories. There are some. But there are also some very positive stories that NEVER make it to the media because it doesn't cause outrage, it doesn't sell papers, or get people watching. The problem is that we only see the horrible things, some of which are blown out of proportion (I'm not saying this incident was though) so people start thinking that this is how our military operates. It's not. These incidents involve a few people, yet the country (particularly the media) generalizes and says that is all of our military. I for one know my husband would NEVER do anything like that, ordered or not. It's unfair to choose not to support our troops because of a few nut cases.


    It is sad that the media only focuses on the negative..... but IMO, these are things that NEED to be addressed. This is not stuff that should be "swept under the carpet." Torture, especially when it's been soooo denied.... is a HUGE deal.

    So many different things are affected when stuff like this happens. People stop having any faith in the government.... other countries become increasingly critical and are less likely to support us.... it screws up EVERYTHING.

    We have criminals running our country..... we need to show the world that we're doing something about it before we completely lose ALL credibility, and high standing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petsparkle View Post
    It's unfair to choose not to support our troops because of a few nut cases.
    Oh, believe me, I know that...I swear
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