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    Would Jesus vote to put quality, affordable healthcare out of
    reach for millions of Americans?

    If America is the greatest country in the world then why do
    children die here every day because their insurance claims are denied or because their parents cannot afford basic medical treatment?

    Did you know that America is the only civilized country in the
    world that does not provide universal healthcare to it's citizens? Why is that?

    Have you ever wondered why healthcare insurance is a
    multi-billion dollar profit industry? Does the insurance company really care about you? Do you believe that they care more about your health than their money? Do you care more about the health of your fellow Americans than YOUR money?

    If you are pro-life, do you realize that women with sick
    children seek abortions because they are unable to provide medical care for the children they already have? Is that a choice that anyone should have to make? Shouldn't pro-life mean FOR LIFE?


    Myths About Healthcare

    It is not the governments responsibility to provide healthcare.

    The constitution states that one fundamental purpose of our
    government to provide for the common welfare:

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more
    perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Consider for a moment that the government is employed by the people through taxes. If we don't employ them to provide for the greater good of the people, then why exactly do we pay them? Taxes are not going away. We will continue to pay them. Why not demand something in return for that investment? After all doesn't "life, liberty and the pursuit
    of happiness" demand good health?

    We already have medicaid.

    Lets consider for a moment who ends up using programs like
    medicaid and welfare? If an employed (ineligible for medicaid) person falls ill and is unable to work because no one provides treatment for that illness, what happens? They continue to stay ill until they can no longer work. Then, they qualify for medicaid and welfare because of their unemployed status. Since no preventative care has been offered to the employed sick person, medicaid pays more to treat the damage
    the disease has caused because it wasn't being treated.

    If the sick person in question was able to seek and receive
    affordable treatment then they would be able to keep their job and continue contributing to society, paying their grocery bills etc, thus eliminating their need for welfare or further assistance. Additionally, the cost of preventing illnesses would be less than the cost of cleaning up the damage of any such illness. Meaning the state would be spending less money and not more.

    Why should we pay medical costs for those who aren't responsible enough to have health insurance?

    The fact is that we already do. If an uninsured person gets
    sick they generally deal with it until the illness is so bad they visit an emergency room. The cost of whatever treatment they receive is generally going to be more because they have waited so long. Considering they were unable to pay for health insurance to begin with and they avoided going to the hospital, they probably don't have money to cover whatever bill they generate while receiving care at the emergency room.

    If this ER bill remains unpaid, the hospital will try to
    collect. When the collection remains unpaid, they write off the expense on their income tax return. When they write off the expense they get a tax break from the government for that amount. In round words this means that the government pays that bill back to the hospital in the form of a tax break. So essentially, we already bear the cost of healthcare for the uninsured.

    It's too expensive, I don't want to pay more taxes.

    As illustrated above, it is cheaper to cover preventative
    medicine than to repair the damage caused by not being treated at all.

    Consider for a moment the monthly cost of your health insurance plan.
    How much extra money would you have if you didn't have to pay that insurance premium and deductibles any longer? Consider also that most of the healthcare plans being considered would raise taxes by only 2&#37; of what they are now. Your taxes may go up, but in the long run you would save money on the cost of insurance.

    Furthermore, keeping people healthy and able to work
    contributes to the economy and society as a whole. The more people we have contributing to the economy the stronger the economy becomes.
    The economy becoming stronger creates more jobs. The more jobs there are the less people are unemployed. The more people that are employed, the more the economy thrives. This is collectively good for everyone.

    Many in the healthcare industry would lose their jobs.

    The availability of healthcare to every American would result
    in more people going to the doctor, not less. This means that some healthcare jobs may be lost, but more would be created. Furthermore, healthcare professionals would be working for the government which means they would probably receive more benefits, higher pay, and more job security than in the private sector.

    I don't want the government controlling my healthcare.

    The democratic healthcare reform plans do not call for the
    abolition of private healthcare. If you wish to keep your private health insurance then you would be free do so. Actually, since you would need your private insurance less, they would be prompted to treat their customers better in order to keep them. This would give them a reason to do better business. If they know that you can always get your
    healthcare for free, then they will offer you more, not less, in
    order to keep your business.

    Also consider that the government controls the healthcare
    industry already. The FDA has to approve any drug available for sale in the US. Doctors have to be licensed to practice. And currently, your insurance company decides whether or not a treatment is useful or cost effective. If its not cost effective they can deny your claim, essentially making that treatment unavailable to anyone who is unable to pay for it themselves. The only difference is that the insurance industry actually has profit in mind, not your health, when they make these life altering decisions. Unless you are independently
    wealthy, you do not control your healthcare now.

    I don't want to be forced to have healthcare insurance. I am not sick.

    Do you think for a moment that you will never get sick or need some kind of medical treatment? Have you ever had strep throat, a yeast infection, a bladder infection, eye infection? Have you ever had a car accident, a broken bone, slipped in the shower? Some day, some time, you too will need medical attention.

    Also, you are required to have insurance for everything else
    you own.
    You are required to carry insurance on your car and your home. Do you think that those possessions are somehow more protection-worthy than your OWN BODY? Your body without which you would be unable to work, unable to provide for your family, unable to drive your car or live in your home. What possession could you ever own that is more important
    than your life and your body?

    Socialized healthcare is socialism, and socialism is bad.

    In America we have a socialized education system. We have a
    socialized police force and fire department. We have libraries
    and museums. We have public roads and street lights. We have government funded college funds. Just because its socialist, doesn't necessarily make it dangerous.

    Consider also that in the process of spreading democracy to
    Iraq we are providing the Iraqi people with free universal health coverage. If socialized medicine is so contrary to democracy then why would we provide them with it?

    In other countries with socialized healthcare, people don't
    receive the treatment they need there either.

    People also wait and die waiting for healthcare in this
    country. The national organ donor registry has a list that people die waiting on every day.

    Consider for a moment that your child had cancer and needed
    treatment. In England he or she may be put on a list to wait for treatment. In this country treatment would be refused and your child would be sent home to die. Which scenario sounds more hopeful to you?

    If socialist care is so bad and dangerous and scary, then why
    is it provided to the military and to congress and the president?

    Government programs just don't work.

    Have you ever used a government service? At any time did your parents rely on food-stamps or welfare? Did you receive the benefit of public education? Did you rely on federal grants and loans in order to pay for college? Did you ever visit an emergency room when you knew you would not be able to pay the bill? Are you a military brat?

    Almost everyone at some point has relied on the government for something. Think for a moment about where you would be without that little extra boost you were provided? Doesn't everyone deserve the benefit of a little help so they can help themselves? Do you believe that an illness should lead a person to lose everything they have ever worked for in their life?

    Wealthy people would still have the ability to pay for better
    care.

    And this will always be the case. But for those of us who are
    not wealthy, (which is most of us) what recourse do we have when the insurance companies betray our trust? Can you afford thousands of extra dollars per month for medical care if your child fell ill?
    Is your child less deserving of treatment than the child of a
    wealthy person? If the life of your child was at stake, who would you vote for this November?
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    Everyone can agree that healthcare is a complicated and
    controversial issue. No one quite knows how to fix it. But the truth is that when medicine can cost thousands of dollars a month, a price that is unrealistic for almost all Americans, we have a serious problem.


    Something must be done about it NOW.

    Perhaps universal healthcare is not the best answer. But its the best one we have right now.

    The current system is irreparably broken. Its bad for America.
    Its bad for our budget. It hurts people. Please forward this to
    everyone you know.
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    Well heres how i see it, I agreed with alot of Moore's things that he mentioned in his movie SICKO but i find that there are alot of problems with universal health care system as well. Espically in a country like cuba, i thought that whole thing was ridciulious because no one would really get that kind of care, (it was also a foreign hospital and not a normal one) I think if your paying taxes, and are citizen of this country you should be granted BASIC health care. That way insurance companies can still sell insurance, (enconomy won't go down) and doctors will still be paid and given respect. In countries that do offer universal healthcare there it's not that great, and often hard to get and thats whats so amazing about our country is we really have GREAT healthcare and physicians, but we need to make it more accesaible to the general public. It's a hard issue to tackle, but i feel like there needs to be a meeting in the middle. I do not why you brought jesus and pro-life agruments into this though, because i think thats an entirely issue of itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenageskye View Post
    Well heres how i see it, I agreed with alot of Moore's things that he mentioned in his movie SICKO but i find that there are alot of problems with universal health care system as well. Espically in a country like cuba, i thought that whole thing was ridciulious because no one would really get that kind of care, (it was also a foreign hospital and not a normal one) I think if your paying taxes, and are citizen of this country you should be granted BASIC health care. That way insurance companies can still sell insurance, (enconomy won't go down) and doctors will still be paid and given respect. In countries that do offer universal healthcare there it's not that great, and often hard to get and thats whats so amazing about our country is we really have GREAT healthcare and physicians, but we need to make it more accesaible to the general public. It's a hard issue to tackle, but i feel like there needs to be a meeting in the middle. I do not why you brought jesus and pro-life agruments into this though, because i think thats an entirely issue of itself.

    The only thing I disagree with what you said is in the countries with universal health care it's not that great, a lot of my family lived in England (my sisters were raised there and are citizens) and they had GREAT healthcare. I know there are a lot of comments about wait times and such as that, but my sister never really had that problem. I can think of one occassion where my sister was very sick and they rushed her to the hospital , they were told later by the Air Force that if they had taken her to the base (which was only an extra 5 minutes away) she wouldn't have made it because they didn't have what was needed to make her better. They never received a bill from the hospital and she stayed for over a month.
    I know we need a change because too many people don't have healthcare. I know for me the biggest wake up call for me was recently when I had pneumonia and before Ken joined the army I wouldn't have been able to afford treatment. They sent me home with pills and things we would have never been able to buy, there is no way we could have done it. The bill that the military took care of was insane, DH and I would have been paying that off for years upon years.
    As for what should be done, I don't know but I think it should be something, that's all I got
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    i enjoyed that.
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    I have always had good healthcare, so my opinion in this matter is quite mute, I do hope that we can take care of those who cannot take care of themselves

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    Love it. Agree with it. But I bet that is no surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked View Post
    Love it. Agree with it. But I bet that is no surprise.
    Same here Trina!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked View Post
    Love it. Agree with it. But I bet that is no surprise.
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    I agree with post, but I don't think that universal health care is the answer. Those that are on Medicaid are falling through the cracks. Takes my sister 2 weeks to get a sick appt for her daughter, so she winds up taking her to the ER. We need to figure out to make a state funded health insurance work before we could ever think of putting in universal health care.
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