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    Tauni I love all of their images at OAC they really make a person think.
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    I posted this here before with ALL of the links (to the news articles backing up the points) it took me 35 minutes to set it all up I think I got one reply from Trina.
    I remember reading that. It was awesome that you did so much work.
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    LOL OK I lied my one comment was from Heidi then.
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    If you are feeling frightened about what comes next, don't be. Embrace the uncertainty. Allow it to lead you places. Be brave as it challenges you to exercise both your heart and your mind as you create your own path towards happiness, don't waste time with regret. Spin wildly into your next action. Enjoy the present, each moment, as it comes; because you'll never get another one quite like it. And if you should ever look up and find yourself lost, simply take a breath and start over. Retrace your steps and go back to the purest place in your heart where your hope lives. You'll find your way again.

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    The only Fascism I'm worried about is Hillary Clinton being elected.





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    The only Fascism I'm worried about is Hillary Clinton being elected.
    Um, did you forget the "LOL" or a smiley? Maybe you meant to put it in "[sarcasm][/sarcasm]" tags?

    'Cause, you know Viva will be all over you to support your argument and provide facts if you're actually seriously saying that the Clintons would increase the Fascist feelings in this nation... (Especially since it is has been clear that while Bill was president, we certainly weren't moving towards fascism.) Compared to Huckabee, Hillary is about as fascist as a hippie handing out flowers to our troops in the middle of a protest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghedi View Post
    Um, did you forget the "LOL" or a smiley? Maybe you meant to put it in "[sarcasm][/sarcasm]" tags?

    'Cause, you know Viva will be all over you to support your argument and provide facts if you're actually seriously saying that the Clintons would increase the Fascist feelings in this nation... (Especially since it is has been clear that while Bill was president, we certainly weren't moving towards fascism.) Compared to Huckabee, Hillary is about as fascist as a hippie handing out flowers to our troops in the middle of a protest.
    If Hillary is elected, the govt will be more involved in our lives than we could ever want. Viva can attack all she wants... I'm not going to be afraid to post something because of the political post police!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth View Post
    If Hillary is elected, the govt will be more involved in our lives than we could ever want. Viva can attack all she wants... I'm not going to be afraid to post something because of the political post police!
    There is more to fascism than 'the government being involved in our lives more than we could ever want'. I am curious as to why you believe that Hillary Clinton would move the US even more towards fascism then the current administration. What are you basing that opinion on.

    BTW NOUN:

    1. often Fascism
    1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
    2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
    2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
    http://education.yahoo.com/reference.../entry/fascism
    An unconditional right to say what one pleases about public affairs is what I consider to be the minimum guarantee of the First Amendment.
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    Because I believe Clinton supports the state being involved in raising your child, your healthcare, plans on investing our money for us because we are too stupid to. Fascism is a broad spectrum, not just one lil definition. I believe she has no regard for individual rights. She wants to open a Public Service Academy for young people, which sounds like the beginning of a dangerous road. I believe we have more freedoms now than we would under her Presidency. Again, that's my opinion... that's all!





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    So it's fairly simple to cut right through the mess / And stop the muscle that makes us confess / And we are so fragile /
    And our cracking bones make noise / And we are just breakable, breakable, breakable girls and boys.

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    Actually, what Hillary is proposing is socialism, not fascism. Socialism is an economic model, not a political model, and it says absolutely nothing about how much freedom a person may or may not have.

    Unfortunately, socialism has often been equated with forms of dictatorships because the most obvious way to bring about socialism in a capitalist society is through revolution, and the chaos of revolution is what opens the doors for dictators.

    I personally do not think that either socialism or capitalism, by themselves, are good economic models. I think that, together, they are great economic models. Capitalism works great on the large scale... and socialism works great on the small scale. Since this our society is composed of a worldwide economy made up of individuals, it has both large and small scale pieces... Our economy would simply collapse without both capitalism and socialism.

    The purpose of capitalism is to consume all available resources in order to generate value. With pure capitalism, people are simply resources, and are consumed without regards for the individual. If we look at the economics of healthcare for a moment, you'll see what the problem is. It is most profitable for drug companies to sell their most potent drugs, because of the economic law of supply and demand. It is incredibly hard to research new drugs, but once the drug is researched, it becomes incredibly easy to manufacture it, with drugs like Asprin being produced by the hundreds of thousands of pills per minute in some factories. (In fact, any modern pill machine can produce about two hundred pills per minute, regardless of the drugs going into them.)

    So, the drug companies want more sick people... The more bizarre and serious the illness, the better, since they can then have an extraordinarily high demand along with a monopoly on the specific treatment. They go to the insurance companies and give them discounts for these specialty drugs, while raising the prices on the drugs that many companies have researched. The insurance company, at the same time, wants to make the most profit, so it refuses treatment for the milder illnesses, waiting for the illness to become more severe and require the specialty drugs. Since the consumers don't have access to the drug company's special pricing, the insurance company can turn around and raise the price of the specialty drugs and make a very large profit along with the drug companies.

    Meanwhile, the people waiting to become sick enough to need the specialty drugs aren't doing a very good job of staying employed, because they are busy going to the doctor all of the time and fighting the insurance companies. This hurts the rest of the economy since employers have to pay for a less-than-productive employee. If the person can't find a job, then it is an even larger drain on the economy, because we have to pay higher taxes to keep them alive and eventually, when it suddenly becomes profitable for the insurance and drug companies to treat the person, we as taxpayers have to pay the bill, because when they lost their job, they lost their private insurance as well.

    So, which is more restrictive of freedoms, to pay a small sum to prevent illness, or to pay large sums to treat major illnesses? People without insurance will have to pay more in taxes, of course, but people with insurance will have more money to spend, since they won't have to pay into a completely ineffective system, and the cost of preventing is always lower than the cost of treating.

    The bottom line for me is, will the candidate make changes that will empower the people, or will they make changes that take people's power away?

    I am most certainly not saying that we should move towards a socialist economic system completely. I am saying that removing socialist economics from our society has done much more harm than good, and in order to regain our position as a strong economic power, we must have a complete and balanced economic model with both socialism and capitalism.

    And... as far as entering debate without facts to support yourself... Are you surprised that people are calling you out and correcting you? Having a gut feeling is great... it has helped man to survive in a harsh world for hundreds of thousands of years. Debate is not life and death, though... it is structured arguments and their supporting facts presented for the purpose of sharing ideas and finding the best possible solution to a problem. Gut feelings weaken your arguments and harm your entire side in a debate. I'm trying to help strengthen every side here, because I honestly want the best solution, not simply what I may think is the best solution. I have been wrong many times before, and by honestly listening to the facts of other people's arguments, as well as researching facts to support my own argument, I've found that being right from the beginning isn't nearly as good as becoming right. If you do have facts to support your argument, please share them so that we can all benefit.
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